This is ridiculous, Ivy and Mina need considerable nerfs

[Berry_Canyon]

These are the only two characters where my losses almost never feel justified. Everyone has their fair share of cheap crap but not compared to this. I've beaten a considerable amount of them but I have to work waaay too hard to do so. I'm at B5 so I think I can say I know what I'm talking about. Doesn't matter how much you lab, nobody likes playing against these idiots.

A lot of people I see using Mina end up being free when using any other character. Which is pretty telling. She's too fast for how good her range is. Those stupid high and low break attacks are cancer. Why are they this fast? That stupid long poke she spams, especially after a launcher. And of course it sends you back 3,000 miles. Her damage output is too much. Great ringout game. Why does she have ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ juggles? She's a long range character for ♥♥♥♥♥ sake. It's not so easy to pressure her cause a lot of her attacks are faster than even short-range characters attacks. Seigfried is almost useless against pressure and honestly I think it would be much more fair if the roles were reversed.

One of Ivy's unblockables is safer than most, has an obscure hitbox (which is super unfair at low-mid rank) and is too fast for the damage it does. It takes like half your health. Yoshi's that does similar damage you have to charge for like 3 entire seconds and it's super unsafe. Her stupid grab that tracks. Her CE having a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ GI at the start of it, yeah, that's what she needs, her close-range game was just trash because it's not as good as her mid-long range game. The fact that she can ringout from half the screen. And the one I hate most of all is the guessing game she can put you in from 30 feet away. Why should I have to guess from that range?

If other long-range characters miss you can punish them. If you block or GI them it's easier to get in. Not with these two. They'll still ♥♥♥♥ your ♥♥♥♥ up close and then ush you back to square one.

[Berry_Canyon]

@Habaduba No, just that many use soul charge as a crutch.

[Habaduba]

Publicado originalmente por Berry_Canyon:

@Habaduba No, just that many use soul charge as a crutch.

meter is there to be used

[Berry_Canyon]

@Habaduba you don't say...

[Habaduba]

Publicado originalmente por Berry_Canyon:

@Habadubayou don't say...

Well dud you are acting as if you didn't know duh

[John Thicc 3 - Parabelly]

Many use blocking as a crutch too.

[Thundercracker]

Publicado originalmente por Habaduba:

Publicado originalmente por Berry_Canyon:

@Habaduba Prove it then. Get S1.

I said mid, not bad, you're the one acting like a scrub by saying she's Op week 1.

She really didn't. She was never top tier. You just are unwilling to admit the pros were wrong. She's just like Goku Black in DBFZ. Everyone thought he was OP but he wasnt.

She was literally in every top 8... Whatever, who gives a ♥♥♥♥ about rank lol you really arent paying attention if you think ill waste my time for an S rank

2B is literally in every top 8 still.

strange to see a midtier every top 8, but sigfried, a "top tier" is all but gone, only showing up a match before link goes back to using groh.

as for the actual topic, ivy isnt so bad, but seong mina at least needs stronger lethal hit conditions. her lethals are just way too easy. "get caught sidestepping by a horizontal." "block a mixup wrong." sigfried only gets that last one in dark legacy....

at this point im starting to question project souls' whole philosophy of "fast characters" vs "slow characters." it's just come down to "slow has no safe buttons vs fast" when the vice versa is "almost every button for fast is safe vs slow."

[Habaduba]

Publicado originalmente por Dr Gori:

Publicado originalmente por Habaduba:

She was literally in every top 8... Whatever, who gives a ♥♥♥♥ about rank lol you really arent paying attention if you think ill waste my time for an S rank

2B is literally in every top 8 still.

strange to see a midtier every top 8, but sigfried, a "top tier" is all but gone, only showing up a match before link goes back to using groh.

as for the actual topic, ivy isnt so bad, but seong mina at least needs stronger lethal hit conditions. her lethals are just way too easy. "get caught sidestepping by a horizontal." "block a mixup wrong." sigfried only gets that last one in dark legacy....

at this point im starting to question project souls' whole philosophy of "fast characters" vs "slow characters." it's just come down to "slow has no safe buttons vs fast" when the vice versa is "almost every button for fast is safe vs slow."

dude, no siegfried is way stronger and does better in tournaments and you know it, stop it already

[yaemikosimp]

yes
and astaroth too

[Thundercracker]

Publicado originalmente por Habaduba:

dude, no siegfried is way stronger and does better in tournaments and you know it, stop it already

that's not what the NLBC linups are showing me. and yes, siggy is "stronger," but "Faster" seems to win more often. here's todays: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCo6GxYB7oc
thermadore shows up with nightmare, but is eliminated in his match. everyone else is a "speed" character.

sig has damage and mixups, pretty much nothing more.

i think PS screwed up bad when they just didnt give fast moves to slow characters.

[Habaduba]

Publicado originalmente por Dr Gori:

Publicado originalmente por Habaduba:

dude, no siegfried is way stronger and does better in tournaments and you know it, stop it already

that's not what the NLBC linups are showing me. and yes, siggy is "stronger," but "Faster" seems to win more often.

sig has damage and mixups, pretty much nothing more.

i think PS screwed up bad when they just didnt give fast moves to slow characters.

NLBC is just one series in one region, And by "stronger" anyone in the community means a charracter is better you dum dum Sieg has a ton of qualities over 2B stop the downplay dude

[Berry_Canyon]

@John Thicc 3 - Parabelly idiot

[Thundercracker]

Publicado originalmente por Habaduba:

Publicado originalmente por Dr Gori:

that's not what the NLBC linups are showing me. and yes, siggy is "stronger," but "Faster" seems to win more often.

sig has damage and mixups, pretty much nothing more.

i think PS screwed up bad when they just didnt give fast moves to slow characters.

NLBC is just one series in one region, And by "stronger" anyone in the community means a charracter is better you dum dum Sieg has a ton of qualities over 2B stop the downplay dude

just one series in one region..... that includes at least half of the top players in the nation, if not more. especially with these online tourneys. you usually dont see 8wayfunz and INCORRECT DEFENSE at the locals version of NLBC. note: not holding them up at top players, just as an example of how much less local online NLBC is.

you also missed the quotes, apparently, which should have indicated to you i wasent using the same meaning of "stronger." yes, i knew you meant overall, but i changed that to analog to "strength character".

yea, sig has advantages, but he's been left behind as he's gotten more meaningful nerfs and less meaningful buffs over the patch history of the game. sig is severely outclassed by speed characters, who tend to do the best, overall. to say otherwise is to ignore just how many tournaments have been won by speed characters.

[Berry_Canyon]

It's up for debate, but I think Nightmare is better than Seigfried overall. Without that stupid little twirl Seig does he's ass. Only reason people struggle with his strings is cause they're delayed and break up your rhythm with his stupid jumps. Nightmare could just run in and CE when you see the opponent is gonna hit with a high or mid, ♥♥♥♥♥ hilarious lol

[Berry_Canyon]

Idk if it'd still work cause I kinda forgot about it but I used to troll Seigfrieds with Yoshi's 3A, just spam it and they couldn't do ♥♥♥♥. Truly worthless up-close. Unlike Ivy and Mina.