This is ridiculous, Ivy and Mina need considerable nerfs

[Berry_Canyon]

These are the only two characters where my losses almost never feel justified. Everyone has their fair share of cheap crap but not compared to this. I've beaten a considerable amount of them but I have to work waaay too hard to do so. I'm at B5 so I think I can say I know what I'm talking about. Doesn't matter how much you lab, nobody likes playing against these idiots.

A lot of people I see using Mina end up being free when using any other character. Which is pretty telling. She's too fast for how good her range is. Those stupid high and low break attacks are cancer. Why are they this fast? That stupid long poke she spams, especially after a launcher. And of course it sends you back 3,000 miles. Her damage output is too much. Great ringout game. Why does she have ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ juggles? She's a long range character for ♥♥♥♥♥ sake. It's not so easy to pressure her cause a lot of her attacks are faster than even short-range characters attacks. Seigfried is almost useless against pressure and honestly I think it would be much more fair if the roles were reversed.

One of Ivy's unblockables is safer than most, has an obscure hitbox (which is super unfair at low-mid rank) and is too fast for the damage it does. It takes like half your health. Yoshi's that does similar damage you have to charge for like 3 entire seconds and it's super unsafe. Her stupid grab that tracks. Her CE having a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ GI at the start of it, yeah, that's what she needs, her close-range game was just trash because it's not as good as her mid-long range game. The fact that she can ringout from half the screen. And the one I hate most of all is the guessing game she can put you in from 30 feet away. Why should I have to guess from that range?

If other long-range characters miss you can punish them. If you block or GI them it's easier to get in. Not with these two. They'll still ♥♥♥♥ your ♥♥♥♥ up close and then ush you back to square one.

[Berry_Canyon]

@ᛉᛏneon@stralᚨᛉ You said I was "throwing a tantrum" and proceeded to insult me. Are you an Ivy main?

Correction, people say she sucks at close range but she's still good in reality. They give her baby nerfs.

Are you serious? I see an overabundance of Ivy players, getting in is a war but she pushes you back like nothing.

Talim is Ivy's easiest match-up in the game. Yoshi is better than Ivy up close, yes. But you act like she's trash up close. Idk how you have trouble with Taki, she's a low tier and the minute she's airborne you can just snipe the ♥♥♥♥♥ down and ragdoll her ass.

Alright fine, sorry, agree to disagree

[ᛉᛏneon@stralᚨᛉ]

@Habaduba
Yeah go ahead and ignore the fact that ALL of those are situational and non reliable in realm of consistency.

"Half screen lowthrows" are non viable above F ranks unless used maybe once in 3 rounds.

"Barely breakable" oh please, mine get broken 3 out of 5 times the rest are being ducked and sidestepped.
And doing a"just" frame grab in the middle of the match is nearly impossible.

Christmas tree isnt even good because Ivy doesnt get oki after that and is really predictable because you have to go crouching kick/whip first and its not hard to see for opponent and if it whiffs the animation is so slow its a guaranteed launch punish after that

You seem pretty knowlagable im confused as to why I have to explain this you.
But sure bro, keep preaching knock yourself out

[ᛉᛏneon@stralᚨᛉ]

@ Berry_Canyon
You just now noticed I wrote that in my 1st post?
When you first replied you didnt mention anything, on my 2nd post I said "nothing personal" and NOW you choose to get irritated lol

Everyone is intitled for an opinnion, but you gotta know every opinnion comes with its own perspective and point of view . I saw your point of view, you gave me yours I gave you mine, dont like it tough luck,.

P.s You YOURSELF said she is "trash upclose" in your first post Pappi like what are u on lol

[Habaduba]

Publicado originalmente por Berry_Canyon:

@Habaduba Lmao what a load of crap. You say this but most likely aren't S1 so how can you really say anything?

You play with players all over the world, you should give me something a bit less anecdotal and actually explain why it would be the case.

She's been out a few days. Funny how we can't have an opinion, especially early unless a pro says so lol I think you just need to lab Zas and Setsuka more.

No confusion, Amy's strings are just easier.

Idk what's going on if you have trouble with Setsuka's lows and mids but kay.

Doesn't hit me, hits my opponents.

You sound pretty biased

Why is it too early to say now for Ivy nerfs but not too early to say Setsuka is a problem?

Yeah i don't have S1, i stopped playing ranked over 1000h ago after getting top 1 on 2 charracters coz it wasn't worth the time, preety sure im A4 or A5 ( in the past you'd get 10-50 points a match so it already took a ton of effort)
Look at the leaderboards and see who's at the top, with an exeption of 5 or 6 charracters its not even going to be a top 8 tournament player and you won't find manny top8 Evo players either

No the netcode is too bad to Play with ppl all over the world

We can have an opinion on both Ivy and setsuka, but Ivy got nerfed and she already was within high tier, its hard to say how manny charrs overtook her aspecially since other charrs also got changed, while with new charracters we need time to find the tech, with all we know ATM setsu can already be safelly considered top tier, top 1 is entirelly possibile but i'm not gonna vouch for that

Its not a matter of lack of knowledge with zas, you base your opinion on what you know, not how you feel or what kills you, you may trust me or not but i can tell you propperties of all his moves and frames on a considerable number of them just from the notation.
Funny thing is i don't think he is that strong im just saying this becouse everyone else does, aspecially in US

Now I'd like a recording of you blocking 66B and 1K on reaction coz sorry but lows don't get faster then 1K so how about you go and win all the tournaments, i mean ppl can't even hit you so what's the problem, she's telegraphed right? Then Everyone else also is.

It doesn't matter who eats the deathcopter, thats incompetence or a really lucky circumstance

And you also mentioned amy, her strings don't matter, exept for AA, 6A 3B , 4A she doesn't have any strong strings doesn't matter strings don't dictate if a charracter is strong or not
Tho charracters with cheesy strings tend to dominante at casual level of play

[Habaduba]

Publicado originalmente por ᛉᛏneon@stralᚨᛉ:

@Habaduba
Yeah go ahead and ignore the fact that ALL of those are situational and non reliable in realm of consistency.

"Half screen lowthrows" are non viable above F ranks unless used maybe once in 3 rounds.

"Barely breakable" oh please, mine get broken 3 out of 5 times the rest are being ducked and sidestepped.
And doing a"just" frame grab in the middle of the match is nearly impossible.

Christmas tree isnt even good because Ivy doesnt get oki after that and is really predictable because you have to go crouching kick/whip first and its not hard to see for opponent and if it whiffs the animation is so slow its a guaranteed launch punish after that

You seem pretty knowlagable im confused as to why I have to explain this you.
But sure bro, keep preaching knock yourself out

You are simply wrong, christmass tree had no weakness and was spammable, not situationall and even if those are situationall ot doesn't change the fact they are cheap.

The Low attackthrow is viable on all levels of Play aspecially on oki, but yeah it does get weaker vs competent players... Like everything really

The window to break CS is the shortest in the game and i saw players cappable of reacting to SRSH K (i16) move consistently still get hit by it 3 times in a row unable to break
Also the just frame version is easy even from neutrall

It takes 4 frames to duck in this game so christmass tree beeing a WR move didn't make it suddenly reactable and was deffinitelly the best Ivy move by far before the nerf
I know you are frustrated but blaming your charracter won't get you far

[Berry_Canyon]

@ᛉᛏneon@stralᚨᛉ Read it over, you'll maybe see the sarcasm in me saying she's not good up-close. You were rude from the start, what ticked me off is you acting like you weren't trying to be rude in your 2nd post. But I'm over it.

I said agree to disagree.

[Berry_Canyon]

@Habaduba Gonna need to see some proof and why not go back now? Many top people on the leaderboards across any fighting game are pretty succesful at tournaments. Many even win them. Many don't bother competing though so it's a moot point that you say this. Regardless it correlates strongly with skill, which is why people get stuck at ranks.

Bruh, she's new so people are the least knowledgeable about how to fight her. That gives Setsuka players a considerable advantage. She's not that hard to deal with, just good damage. People used to say 2B was amazing but really she's mid tier. You'll see, Setsuka is the same, maybe even a bit worse.

Experience as well as his very limited kit. Setsuka is pretty limited as well. I like how they give you trouble, but not me. Therefore I'm the one that doesn't know what they're talking about. Only in Bizarro world. And Setsuka is new and I got her figured out, it'll only get easier from here.

No, I just have to wait for someone to initiate an attack that whiffs and it's pretty much guranteed.

[Habaduba]

Publicado originalmente por Berry_Canyon:

@Habaduba Gonna need to see some proof and why not go back now? Many top people on the leaderboards across any fighting game are pretty succesful at tournaments. Many even win them. Many don't bother competing though so it's a moot point that you say this. Regardless it correlates strongly with skill, which is why people get stuck at ranks.

Bruh, she's new so people are the least knowledgeable about how to fight her. That gives Setsuka players a considerable advantage. She's not that hard to deal with, just good damage. People used to say 2B was amazing but really she's mid tier. You'll see, Setsuka is the same, maybe even a bit worse.

Experience as well as his very limited kit. Setsuka is pretty limited as well. I like how they give you trouble, but not me. Therefore I'm the one that doesn't know what they're talking about. Only in Bizarro world. And Setsuka is new and I got her figured out, it'll only get easier from here.

No, I just have to wait for someone to initiate an attack that whiffs and it's pretty much guranteed.

I am not going ranked coz there is no point, you can Learn way more playing good players you know instead go Rolling the Die and seeing who you get.

You are making a broad statement about leaderboards, and its late now but ill boot up the pc tomorrow and give you a list of which top ranked players are actually top players for that charr.

Noone is struggling with setsuka, the setsuka players out there aren't good enough with her to make ppl sweat so you are missing the point.
And yeah 2B is lowtier now but i'm S1 she was infact high-toptier

[Berry_Canyon]

@Habaduba Yeah, cause it's just chance, no skill involved, gimme a break. This is the excuse bad players use.

If they earned S1 than they're S1. Anything else is an unfounded opinion.

She doesn't have the potential to be that great, period.

2B is mid and always was mid.

[Berry_Canyon]

@Sown-Laughter Nobody was arguing there isn't a solution, smart one. Just that she has too much reward for what she risks. That's what OP means, it doesn't mean unbeatable.

[Habaduba]

Publicado originalmente por Berry_Canyon:

@Habaduba Yeah, cause it's just chance, no skill involved, gimme a break. This is the excuse bad players use.

If they earned S1 than they're S1. Anything else is an unfounded opinion.

She doesn't have the potential to be that great, period.

2B is mid and always was mid.

You aren't playing attention, getting S rank is matter of 2-3 evenings, but who even cares

They are S1 yes, who cares ?

You are arrogant to decide a charr is bad that early after realease without having labbed her and starting any weakneses

2B did change a lot and jumped from top to Low tier...

[Berry_Canyon]

@Habaduba Prove it then. Get S1.

I said mid, not bad, you're the one acting like a scrub by saying she's Op week 1.

She really didn't. She was never top tier. You just are unwilling to admit the pros were wrong. She's just like Goku Black in DBFZ. Everyone thought he was OP but he wasnt.

[Habaduba]

Publicado originalmente por Berry_Canyon:

@Habaduba Prove it then. Get S1.

I said mid, not bad, you're the one acting like a scrub by saying she's Op week 1.

She really didn't. She was never top tier. You just are unwilling to admit the pros were wrong. She's just like Goku Black in DBFZ. Everyone thought he was OP but he wasnt.

She was literally in every top 8... Whatever, who gives a ♥♥♥♥ about rank lol you really arent paying attention if you think ill waste my time for an S rank

[Berry_Canyon]

@Habaduba it's almost as if the people who say rank doesn't matter are completely full of ♥♥♥♥

[Habaduba]

Publicado originalmente por Berry_Canyon:

@Habaduba it's almost as if the people who say rank doesn't matter are completely full of ♥♥♥♥

Irs funny coz you are complaining ranked players are ♥♥♥♥ but also disputing that rank translates to skill...