2B Review!

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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/350628682 IF YOU DONT WANT TO READ, WATCH HERE FOR MY OPINIONS.

Ill get right into this. This post will have primarily what I think is IMPORTANT and not nuiances. That being said please understand that

I wanted 2B to be a good, balanced character and was looking forward to this release.

okay so here are the prominent issues!

Astaroth will literally never win this matchup in high level play. An all ready struggling character, has now been given a grave.

her 6A is guranteed on run counter, which is FINE, but for some odd reason the move will lockup if it hits during a certain time during an 8Way Run.

6B string has an EXTREMELY potent mixup game, which can lead to massive combos and massive mindgames. Doesnt look problematic, but this was tested via LAN. Not with latency.

Her kit is overloaded as hell on grabs, boasting OVER 7 unique grabs, all of which have RINGOUT potential.

has a command grab that pulls you to her but does low damage, allowing her to remove ledge pressure from a camper.


Self destruct CE hits standing, crouching, and falling opponents when it should be a command grab like Kiliks or Astas.

Arial game is way to strong, and removes almost all forms of actual punish when she whiffs or gets block during ariel movements.

all of her pokes have ring out potential.

Almost all of her Arial attacks has ring out potential.

If you want me to have a bit more explenation behind things, my VOD is posted above all of this for me actively testing, labbing, and thinking.

Overall, I'd say 2B is going to be an unbalanced nightmare for this game.


Ivy 2.0

[Agad]

Here we go again lol. Dude, constant complaints will only make the game unenjoyable, you're a decent player who plays shtty characters, take pride in the fact that you can win with Tira/ whatever other low tier character you play with and get along with your day.

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Originally posted by Agad117:

Here we go again lol. Dude, constant complaints will only make the game unenjoyable, you're a decent player who plays shtty characters, take pride in the fact that you can win with Tira/ whatever other low tier character you play with and get along with your day.

In what world am I complaining?

I show very big cons and pros of the character.

I clearly stated I was looking forward to the character.


Veterans of soulcalibur who genuinly care about the gamestate and longitivity of the game is what it needs. Not people who see 2bs chest and drool.

[Agad]

Need I point out the complaints in the post that you not only created, but is right above my comment?

Your last line was "Overall, I'd say 2B is going to be an unbalanced nightmare for this game.
Ivy 2.0"

I've stated this before and I'll say it again. I really don't care for 2B, BUT from a business standpoint, adding her was a very good move. Obviously the Soulcalibur "Veterans" aren't keeping the series alive so the Soulcal team decided to target a new fanbase to pull players in. Adding the old characters won't bring many new players in, nor will it bring your "Veterans".


You complain in every single thread/comment you create dude. Just chill out and enjoy the game, cuz I can tell you rn, your the type of person pushing the newer players away.

Edit: I legit took a break from the game because everyone here Complains man. You want the series to stay alive at least make it seem enjoyable to new players. Teach others the matchups and things to avoid inatead of basically telling them to avoid the game.

[bob]

Shizz, nerf 2b and you'll lose 2/3 of the current SC6 players xD.

[AGA | prinnyuber]

Oh this is a delicious throwdown. What if I can find a way out of your 2b pros and use those pros against her. I still am in the verge of gathering data for 2b which is very interesting.

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Originally posted by Agad117:

Need I point out the complaints in the post that you not only created, but is right above my comment?

Your last line was "Overall, I'd say 2B is going to be an unbalanced nightmare for this game.
Ivy 2.0"

I've stated this before and I'll say it again. I really don't care for 2B, BUT from a business standpoint, adding her was a very good move. Obviously the Soulcalibur "Veterans" aren't keeping the series alive so the Soulcal team decided to target a new fanbase to pull players in. Adding the old characters won't bring many new players in, nor will it bring your "Veterans".


You complain in every single thread/comment you create dude. Just chill out and enjoy the game, cuz I can tell you rn, your the type of person pushing the newer players away.

How is that a complaint? It's me putting how I feel about the character.

Her kit is effectively Azwel and Ivy mixed into one, and considering Ivy just got nnerfed, and Azwel just got mega nerfed... is it wrong to say someone who combines the kits into one is unbalancable?

Currently, the only moves in her kit that appear to be viable is her Pokes, her overloaded command grabs, and Aggression stance 50/50's.

She lacks any form of actual engagement from 8way run, meaning shes reliant on Aggression stance to engage.

Her pokes have low punish times, which means it encourages the rapid use of them (AKA Ivy's summon suffering and Chain pulls)

All of her attack strings lead into overloaded massive AOE attacks (Azwel).

Pointing out that a characters kit is unbalancable isnt a complaint, by any Standards.

LS from League Of Legends LOVES Zoe and Neeko,but openly admits that while hes in love with their designs, their inherintly unbalancable due to how awful the kit flows.


Stating that something is unbalancable isn't a complaint. It's a legitimate standpoint that needs to be addressed.

2B, as her kit is now, will never be balanced. She will either be over tuned and broken, or under performing.

Sorry you don't understand the difference because you can't comprehend that some people point out the faults in something they love so it can be improved in the future.

[Agad]

I see I'm going to have to remind you that this is DAY OOOONNNEEEE lol.
And I'm sorry that you don't know the literal definition of the word complain. I could sit here and argue with you, but It's pointless.

Constructive criticism is one thing, but what you do is far from it.

But keep on complaining about you beloved dying series that people like you are killing. The rest of us sane folk will enjoy the game as is until the devs make the changes that they feel are necessary.

[Agad]

Originally posted by Lucky Bob:

Shizz, nerf 2b and you'll lose 2/3 of the current SC6 players xD.

Pretty much what I'm saying lol. Did you see the player count before she released?

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Originally posted by Agad117:

I see I'm going to have to remind you that this is DAY OOOONNNEEEE lol.
And I'm sorry that you don't know the literal definition of the word complain. I could sit here and argue with you, but It's pointless.

Constructive criticism is one thing, but what you do is far from it.

But keep on complaining about you beloved dying series that people like you are killing. The rest of us sane folk will enjoy the game as is until the devs make the changes that they feel are necessary.

Except fighting games are prone to not receive balance updates for months at a time. AKA Day one is very problematic if a character is broken.

You clearly don't play fighting games often enough to understand that, so Im not going to bother trying to explain to you anymore.

Dont bother posting on actual critiscms from competitive players when you lack basic knowledge of why something is or isnt problematic.

[Agad]

Originally posted by twitchTV/8wayfunz:

Originally posted by Agad117:

I see I'm going to have to remind you that this is DAY OOOONNNEEEE lol.
And I'm sorry that you don't know the literal definition of the word complain. I could sit here and argue with you, but It's pointless.

Constructive criticism is one thing, but what you do is far from it.

But keep on complaining about you beloved dying series that people like you are killing. The rest of us sane folk will enjoy the game as is until the devs make the changes that they feel are necessary.

Except fighting games are prone to not receive balance updates for months at a time. AKA Day one is very problematic if a character is broken.

You clearly don't play fighting games often enough to understand that, so Im not going to bother trying to explain to you anymore.

Dont bother posting on actual critiscms from competitive players when you lack basic knowledge of why something is or isnt problematic.

You know this and still complain. They aren't gonna fix it day one so shut up about it. Easy.


And "actual competitive players" don't complain as much as you do lol. I've played you many times and you're actually decent at the game (i remember because you legit wouldn't even do a set.)
Seems like someone who put so much time into the game would, oh idk.....LIKE IT! Geez.

A good chunk of people here have you pegged as a crybaby and I'm not the first person to call you out on your bull. Take note of that and do something about it.

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Originally posted by Agad117:

Originally posted by twitchTV/8wayfunz:

Except fighting games are prone to not receive balance updates for months at a time. AKA Day one is very problematic if a character is broken.

You clearly don't play fighting games often enough to understand that, so Im not going to bother trying to explain to you anymore.

Dont bother posting on actual critiscms from competitive players when you lack basic knowledge of why something is or isnt problematic.

You know this and still complain. They aren't gonna fix it day one so shut up about it. Easy.


And "actual competitive players" don't complain as much as you do lol. I've played you many times and you're actually decent at the game (i remember because you legit wouldn't even do a set.)
Seems like someone who put so much time into the game would, oh idk.....LIKE IT! Geez.

A good chunk of people here have you pegged as a crybaby and I'm not the first person to call you out on your bull. Take note of that and do something about it.

Actually, competitive players are extremely vocal about the gamestate because its worth discussing. Hence why Pro players all ♥♥♥♥♥ that Tira is garbage for the third game in a row, and there have been massive complaints about Azwel since release. competitive veterans understand the game balance of a 3D fighter like SoulCalibur, and have the ability to actually discuss balancing in an actual, coherent matter.

You're just a casual who thinks they understand the game enough to have input on competitive talk.

Discussing a characters issues is what the Devs want to see as early as possible, so they can know for the next character addition and not repeat the same mistake, just as the Sc5 community did with the first patch to the game that was, subsequently, the patch that killed SC5 due to being so poorly guided.

Sorry you think discussing pros and cons are complaints.

Also the people who call me a "crybaby" are all also people who dont play this game at a high competitive level at all, and are here as casuals who check competitive based posts for no reason, and then give input.

[Agad]

A. This casual has beaten you so you must not be that great.

B. All of the people like you just create a huge pisspuddle of complaints about the game. Pointing out a flaw is not the same as constantly crying about how bad your character is or how good another is. Get over it because it wont change until it changes. Your worthless comments aren't going to make the devs change a damn thing lol.

C. If you honestly think that casual players shouldn't have in input, you really aren't that smart, and as I said before, are the reason that this game is dying. Casual players are going to make up the majority of the games playerbase regardless.

I was going to try to play SC6 competitively at one point. Until i realised that everyone who plays it just has a fit about every single aspect of the game. Get over it because it won't change anytime soon.

Bonus: I could make a collage out of your complaints dude. Chill out and just play the game. Take a break from the comment(complaint) section and just play the game. That's what I'm gonna do. I'm done here.

Buh bye

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Originally posted by Agad117:

A. This casual has beaten you so you must not be that great.

B. All of the people like you just create a huge pisspuddle of complaints about the game. Pointing out a flaw is not the same as constantly crying about how bad your character is or how good another is. Get over it because it wont change until it changes. Your worthless comments aren't going to make the devs change a damn thing lol.

C. If you honestly think that casual players shouldn't have in input, you really aren't that smart, and as I said before, are the reason that this game is dying. Casual players are going to make up the majority of the games playerbase regardless.

I was going to try to play SC6 competitively at one point. Until i realised that everyone who plays it just has a fit about every single aspect of the game. Get over it because it won't change anytime soon.

Bonus: I could make a collage out of your complaints dude. Chill out and just play the game. Take a break from the comment(complaint) section and just play the game. That's what I'm gonna do. I'm done here.

Buh bye

A.No where in this post did I mention Tira. Maybe try again? Also, Latency exists online, AKA input delay. Theres a reason why people complain about Yoshi and Sieg online, but on LAN their more than tolerable. Online means effectively nothing unless its 100% a good connection (which it will never be unless youre lucky, and our games never are. Our games are normally 3Bar.)

B.You really don't know the difference between complaining and addressing problematic designs.

C.Casual players are the ones ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that Nightmare and Siegfried are broken because they willingly sit still and let nightmare spam trips. So no, Casual players shouldnt be taken into competitive balancing.

D.Casual players dont do anything for the game in the long run lmao. Why do you think the playerbase died???? Casuals saw CAS memes, bought it, had their laughs, and moved on. Do they make sales? yea. Do they keep the game populated? No.

Also, Most fighting games linger around 800-1000 players at am time after the honey moon phase dies because the casuals Rage quit. So the community is actually fine as is with population.

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7 unique grabs? Jesus. Besides that she does look like Azwel 2.0. And her movement speed is super fast too. Almost like yoshi’s.

[GORECHIMERA]

Originally posted by twitchTV/8wayfunz:

Astaroth will literally never win this matchup in high level play. An all ready struggling character, has now been given a grave.

Care to prove this by streaming you fight Astaroth in a VS CPU match with 2B? Legendary difficulty and 5 rounds. And obviously you can't lose a single round since you claim Astaroth can't win against 2B at all.

It obviously won't be "high level play" since you're not an expert with 2B already and the CPU is built to show leniency even on legendary. But I think it should give you an idea of why you're exaggerating.