Day 1 dlc=no buy

[David]

Once I saw some characters are locked behind a dlc paywall, that was the day I decided not to purchase this.

[LightlySalted]

Well goodbye then. While it is a unfortunate case with tira, it is optional. It won't matter to people buying the season pass, and the people who really want her will gladly pay the $5 or so. The people who don't care about tira, but are interested in the game, will still buy the base game. If this day 1 DLC thing is enough to deter you from buying the base game, then have at it.

[LightlySalted]

Originally posted by 奇妙な焼却炉:

Originally posted by LightlySalted:

Well goodbye then. While it is a unfortunate case with tira, it is optional. It won't matter to people buying the season pass, and the people who really want her will gladly pay the $5 or so. The people who don't care about tira, but are interested in the game, will still buy the base game. If this day 1 DLC thing is enough to deter you from buying the base game, then have at it.

yeah, but, it still as great when DLC didn't exist, and everything came with everything. But if you're willing to chuck out more money, make it rain then.

DLC will always have a place, why?, because people will always want more. No game can come with everything, it is a question of whether the base game had the quality and enough content to justify the asking price. Now, there are right and wrong ways of applying DLC. It is just unfortunate that some companies nowadays try to keep nudging for that extra $.

[Karosu-Maker]

If you buy it without the season pass, you're buying an incomplete game. If you buy it with the season pass, you're paying way more than you should.

It's as scam anyway you see it, and people buying this game is agreeing with these new terms for the franchise, which only damages Soul Calibur and harms players.

Bandai Namco won't stop making Soul Calibur, it's one of it's flagships. If it doesn't sell well we may have a real complete edition in matter of months, like what happened with Mortal Kombat XL.

Consumers have the last word, guys. Don't feed the greedy machine AAA games industry have become.

[Fyk0]

You know, any developer can make DLC before the game is out but release it when the publisher tells them to. Would it have been better if they withhold Tira for a month and then release it because it doesn't look like day 1 DLC?

Also Tira is outside of budget a fan requested character so they actually have a good reason to make her a DLC.

[xyz]

Steam gets 30% retail as do Microsoft and Sony on consoles.
Physical copies also have distribution and packaging costs.
CD Projekt Red I imagine get a small cut.
Bandai Namco gets bout 50% of what they put it, Unreal isn't that expensive to develop in and marketing is nowhere for this game. It's pretty clear that it's a "product" for the holiday season for the company that they have no real faith in making money.

The game is an incomplete product. I know people are used to this by now because game prices haven't gone up in a decade but cutting off 20% of the roster for Day 1 DLC is a joke when the roster is tiny. The pricing is still sixty bucks because they know that the white knights will buy it day one no matter what state the game is in.

It will be half price or better by the Steam summer sale.

[凹口凸口凹口凸]

Originally posted by Aesr:

Once I saw some characters are locked behind a dlc paywall, that was the day I decided not to purchase this.

But please. You must buy this. We, people from this thread you started, beg you to buy this game.

[Karosu-Maker]

Originally posted by Fyk0:

You know, any developer can make DLC before the game is out but release it when the publisher tells them to. Would it have been better if they withhold Tira for a month and then release it because it doesn't look like day 1 DLC?

Also Tira is outside of budget a fan requested character so they actually have a good reason to make her a DLC.

Rosters in Soul Calibur since 2 always had around 23 to 25 characters, This one have only 20, but hey! look! The season pass includes three more characters plus Tira if you pre-order. Yeah... now we know where the missed characters went. You can't look me straight to the face and tell me this isn't chopped out content.

Originally posted by 奇妙な焼却炉:

Originally posted by Karosu-Maker:

Don't feed the greedy machine AAA games industry have become.

physcially being in this industry, they do so, cause everyone got to get their cut. The sales from the game don't just go to one source alone. It's divided amongest all the teams who helped put it together. So esstianlly, Namco could get like maybe 50/30% (40) of all sales.
so not really 'greedy' just that whole big team getting their share of the profit.

Distibution of physical copies back in the day was way more expensive than now that they have digital distribution. There are also big studies that make way more complex games and don´t recur to these obviously abusive business practices.

[Fyk0]

Originally posted by Karosu-Maker:

Originally posted by Fyk0:

You know, any developer can make DLC before the game is out but release it when the publisher tells them to. Would it have been better if they withhold Tira for a month and then release it because it doesn't look like day 1 DLC?

Also Tira is outside of budget a fan requested character so they actually have a good reason to make her a DLC.

Rosters in Soul Calibur since 2 always had around 23 to 25 characters, This one have only 20, but hey! look! The season pass includes three more characters plus Tira if you pre-order. Yeah... now we know where the missed characters went. You can't look me straight to the face and tell me this isn't chopped out content.

I was talking about only day 1 but yeah those are pretty much cut content. But I don't think it's bad, it keeps the game fresh when more characters are being added over time. Just like Tekken did.

[Karosu-Maker]

Originally posted by Fyk0:

I was talking about only day 1 but yeah those are pretty much cut content. But I don't think it's bad, it keeps the game fresh when more characters are being added over time. Just like Tekken did.

I agree with future expansions to keep the game fresh, but only when the initial product is complete to begin with to justify it's full price.

If there weren't a Season Pass + Tira from the begining and the game would have come with at least the same if not a little more content than previous entries (Except SCV, that thing came bare bones in game modes), I'd have no problem at all, but we consumers have used the companies to give less content for more money every time, so things will only get worse if people doesn't react to these practices.

I love Soul Calibur since the times of Soul Blade, but I'm not willing to keep encouraging these practices that only worsen beloved franchises, even if I miss a sequel to one of my favorite games of all time.

That's why it's so important to me that people wakes up to these practices, I don't want our dear hobby to go even further down the toilet. There's a better gamming world beyond these disgusting practices if we all say "no more" together.

[Fyk0]

Originally posted by Karosu-Maker:

I agree with future expansions to keep the game fresh, but only when the initial product is complete to begin with to justify it's full price.

If there weren't a Season Pass + Tira from the begining and the game would have come with at least the same if not a little more content than previous entries (Except SCV, that thing came bare bones in game modes), I'd have no problem at all, but we consumers have used the companies to give less content for more money every time, so things will only get worse if people doesn't react to these practices.

I love Soul Calibur since the times of Soul Blade, but I'm not willing to keep encouraging these practices that only worsen beloved franchises, even if I miss a sequel to one of my favorite games of all time.

That's why it's so important to me that people wakes up to these practices, I don't want our dear hobby to go even further down the toilet. There's a better gamming world beyond these disgusting practices if we all say "no more" together.

To me it looks like the game has plenty of content what I have seen so far, even if couple less fighters than usual. If you are unsure you can watch streams on day 1 to see what it actually has to offer. I don't know how SCV is but it seemed to flop. I haven't played the series since II.

I get it if you want to skip a game if you don't like where it's heading gameplay wise or know for sure it lacks content, but excessive if you would love to play the game but skip it because of couple missing fighters sold on later date. Season passes aren't going anywhere since they sell and you just miss a game that you would want to play. You can always get it later if you aren't sure will you be playing in the long term.

[John Thicc 3 - Parabelly]

Originally posted by Karosu-Maker:

If you buy it without the season pass, you're buying an incomplete game. If you buy it with the season pass, you're paying way more than you should.

I preordered the deluxe edition for less than the price the regular edition is on Steam. That should solve the problem for anyone who complains, but I guess it's too much effort for some.

[Karosu-Maker]

Originally posted by WieForster?:

Originally posted by Karosu-Maker:

If you buy it without the season pass, you're buying an incomplete game. If you buy it with the season pass, you're paying way more than you should.

I preordered the deluxe edition for less than the price the regular edition is on Steam. That should solve the problem for anyone who complains, but I guess it's too much effort for some.

And you don't even know which characters you're going to get. That's the kind of consumer behaviour that let companies do whatever they want, we're going to buy it anyway.

[John Thicc 3 - Parabelly]

Originally posted by Karosu-Maker:

And you don't even know which characters you're going to get. That's the kind of consumer behaviour that let companies do whatever they want, we're going to buy it anyway.

In times when we still could unlock characters by playing the game, we didn't know how many characters there would be in total and who these secret characters were going to be either.

[Karosu-Maker]

Originally posted by WieForster?:

Originally posted by Karosu-Maker:

And you don't even know which characters you're going to get. That's the kind of consumer behaviour that let companies do whatever they want, we're going to buy it anyway.

In times when we still could unlock characters by playing the game, we didn't know how many characters there would be in total and who these secret characters were going to be either.

Dude, they didn't charge you extra for those characters. Man, there are so many flaws with your logic I really don't know where to start with.

[John Thicc 3 - Parabelly]

Originally posted by Karosu-Maker:

Dude, they didn't charge you extra for those characters. Man, there are so many flaws with your logic I really don't know where to start with.

I'm not really paying for the DLC chars here either since I got an offer for the deluxe edition that's less than the price of the regular edition on Steam.