How to git gud?

[Ranmaru Rei]

Seriously, I never felt so helpless in any fighting game, than this. I don't know what's my winrate is actually is, but, I believe, it's below 20%. And i'm playing one of the strongest characters. At least a lot of people are claiming so. It's, damn, Ivy. But it's not the most frustrating moment. The most frustrating moment that I'm not new to the series. I played it from SCI to SCIII. Yeah, I did a big greak, but anyway... I'm not so good as I was in those days. Like at all.
I know a lot of my problems. I have a lot of stuff to learn. But, on the other hand, I make a lot od miastakes. Mistake after mistake after mistake. I know about them. I know what I have to do. And I don't. And I'm panicking. And... OK. Fine.
I believe I should fix my mindset first for the game. Stop. Start to analyse a stituation. Etc. Because I can lose even to a lame opponent, because my mind is not ready.
Idk.

[petran79]

Longetivity does not matter. A good trained tournament player new to the series will stomp any older casual player.

So it depends what you want to achieve. Grasping the game basics is quite easy. But for the meantime avoid tournament level tips, since they are not for beginners and require months of training and dedication, plus reflexes and a lot of coffee.

[Seven ate you]

Ivy is a good character but ivy isn't really a character that will get you good. Just like sim in SFV, her long ranged moves makes you worse at spacing. Other than that, I'd actually have to watch you fight or fight you myself, if you want more of my advice. If you don't mind me mentoring you that is.

[NumeroDΣz]

Originally posted by Ranmaru Rei:

Seriously, I never felt so helpless in any fighting game, than this. I don't know what's my winrate is actually is, but, I believe, it's below 20%. And i'm playing one of the strongest characters. At least a lot of people are claiming so. It's, damn, Ivy. But it's not the most frustrating moment. The most frustrating moment that I'm not new to the series. I played it from SCI to SCIII. Yeah, I did a big greak, but anyway... I'm not so good as I was in those days. Like at all.
I know a lot of my problems. I have a lot of stuff to learn. But, on the other hand, I make a lot od miastakes. Mistake after mistake after mistake. I know about them. I know what I have to do. And I don't. And I'm panicking. And... OK. Fine.
I believe I should fix my mindset first for the game. Stop. Start to analyse a stituation. Etc. Because I can lose even to a lame opponent, because my mind is not ready.
Idk.

Just pay attention to your opponent, if he spams vertical attacks dodge, if he mostly does horizontal attacks duck and punish. if he is constantly attacking you and you feel helpless try to use reversal edge and guard impact and if he is just defending your attacks be creative and mix him up and abuse your throws and yeah, it's kinda obvious what I have said but sometimes we're so used to go by our muscle memory that we don't even notice our flaws and how to proper counter our opponents

[Naughty Senpai 69]

Step 1: Lose
Step 2: Watch replay of loss
Step 3: Write down what hit you the most
Step 4: Record training mode dummy to do what hit you the most
Step 5: Figure out how to beat it
Step 6: Start over at step 1

Repeat that often enough and eventually you are "good".

There are no shortcuts. How do you beat something if you don't know what beat you?

You'll find out about taking/stealing turns, whiff punishing, conditioning, okizeme and all that other good stuff this way without even having a name for it.

It might sound crazy but doing your homework and training hard actually gets you somewhere in any competitive game.

[NumeroDΣz]

Originally posted by Naughty Senpai 69:

Step 1: Lose
Step 2: Watch replay of loss
Step 3: Write down what hit you the most
Step 4: Record training mode dummy to do what hit you the most
Step 5: Figure out how to beat it
Step 6: Start over at step 1

Repeat that often enough and eventually you are "good".

There are no shortcuts. How do you beat something if you don't know what beat you?

You'll find out about taking/stealing turns, whiff punishing, conditioning, okizeme and all that other good stuff this way without even having a name for it.

It might sound crazy but doing your homework and training hard actually gets you somewhere in any competitive game.

This only works if you're REALLY struggling against specific characters, there is no way you'll become a better player by watching replays just like you will not become a better player by watching pro players, playing online is the best way to improve even though it's also the most frustrating method.

[Sharkofspace]

Just suffer and have no fun for a few hundred hours or so. Then and only then can you start playing the game at the lowest level.

[Seven ate you]

Originally posted by NumeroDez:

Originally posted by Naughty Senpai 69:

Step 1: Lose
Step 2: Watch replay of loss
Step 3: Write down what hit you the most
Step 4: Record training mode dummy to do what hit you the most
Step 5: Figure out how to beat it
Step 6: Start over at step 1

Repeat that often enough and eventually you are "good".

There are no shortcuts. How do you beat something if you don't know what beat you?

You'll find out about taking/stealing turns, whiff punishing, conditioning, okizeme and all that other good stuff this way without even having a name for it.

It might sound crazy but doing your homework and training hard actually gets you somewhere in any competitive game.

This only works if you're REALLY struggling against specific characters, there is no way you'll become a better player by watching replays just like you will not become a better player by watching pro players, playing online is the best way to improve even though it's also the most frustrating method.

You're literally saying the way that most soul calibur pros recommend to get good is bad. Even if it's something as I got hit by a move that one time, you can find the weaknesses of the move and get hit by that move less.

[Power in Misery]

How to git gud: a step-by-step

1. Pick a character you like. Tiers are for tournaments and pubstars who want to pretend they're good at the game. You'll do better with a character that clicks with you than a character that is high tier.

2. Learn your most basic stuff. Guard impact, 3d movement, reversal edge, etc. You can't be good at a game if you don't know how to play it.

3. Learn your basic moves. Don't get fancy, learn your most basic attacks and when to use them. Things such as where they hit, how fast they are, and if they can knock down/stun are important factors.

4. Learn your frame data. Less complex than it sounds, go into training, set a dummy to guard and then retaliate after guard. Hit it with a bunch of moves and find out which ones allow you to guard or move immediately after hitting someone else's guard. These are called safe moves, and a safe move is good to throw out regularly because if someone blocks it there's little to no risk of retaliation.

[NumeroDΣz]

Originally posted by Seven ate you:

Originally posted by NumeroDez:

This only works if you're REALLY struggling against specific characters, there is no way you'll become a better player by watching replays just like you will not become a better player by watching pro players, playing online is the best way to improve even though it's also the most frustrating method.

You're literally saying the way that most soul calibur pros recommend to get good is bad. Even if it's something as I got hit by a move that one time, you can find the weaknesses of the move and get hit by that move less.

You will learn how to not get hit by specific moves of course but will this help you to improve you mix ups? mind games? defense in general? how to pressure? Pro players are far beyond any of us, they don't have that much to improve or learn compare to player that struggle to get 5 win streaks, they're competing against players on their level, people who completely understands frame data when they get constantly hit by a move of course they have to learn how to beat it but if you're not a pro player what benefit will you get by learning how to counter a few moves from specific character? Maybe against NM, Ivy and Mi-na since they're so popular and you'll be constantly facing them but still...

[Discane]

Check your character moves. Try to understand which benefit each move give. Learn its exact range. Which can be used as a punisher on whiff or block. Learn some combos. Make opponent whiff and punish. If he blocks use some mixups.

[Null_User]

Eh... I can't pvp at all because I don't want to deal with people in a pvp environment anymore. Period! Thank the Internet era and unruly kids (and my wish to punch their stupid faces through TCP/IP) for that.

Past that, I know I'm bad at the whole gaming thing. Not just this game. Almost every game. But I don't really panic. If I just derp, I may get angry for 2 minutes, then try again later. Or if I see something takes WAY too much effort, I drop the game and look somewhere else. PC gaming is the best gaming (like the NK is the best K meme) because you can load up SC6, or go back in time and load stuff like FX Fighter (lel). So really, there are enough games for me to entertain myself without even having to git gud at anything.

Anyway. Enough about me. Gaming requires either talent, or LOTS of practice, and in some cases, both. I remember back when SC1 was a thing, this very talented kid who had never played the game, practiced for like two hours and then proceded to perfect win all of us (my group of friends back then). And we used to play pretty much every night nonstop. It took me a bit of doing some Rocky Balboa training sessions (without punching hanging dead cows though) with my boy Cervantes to be able to make a comeback and beat the kid.

When doing pvp, you learn best by continuing to do pvp. No cheap imitations. The cpu will be of help for only technical things. But so can pvping. Get a mentor, or a friend to practice with. Try other characters other than your own to know them. That way you can relate their animations to certain actions. Or play against them enough times for a similar effect. Practice your dexterity and your speed at doing things. Quick Thinking gives you a +1 to INT, so try to get that as well.

All in all, the path to git gud is not the same for everyone, and you shoulnd't feel bad if it's slower for you. Just enjoy the slightly longer ride and soldier on.

[Seven ate you]

Originally posted by NumeroDez:

Originally posted by Seven ate you:

You're literally saying the way that most soul calibur pros recommend to get good is bad. Even if it's something as I got hit by a move that one time, you can find the weaknesses of the move and get hit by that move less.

You will learn how to not get hit by specific moves of course but will this help you to improve you mix ups? mind games? defense in general? how to pressure?

Yes, yes, yes and yes,

[petran79]

Originally posted by Hanuke:

All in all, the path to git gud is not the same for everyone, and you shoulnd't feel bad if it's slower for you. Just enjoy the slightly longer ride and soldier on.

That is a problem with all those tutorials, even for beginners. They are written by advanced players who can do the correct decision and have the correct execution with a rate of at least 90%.

For many players even reaching half the success rate is a tremendous task already. Perhaps we need tutorials from beginners to beginners

[Ranmaru Rei]

Originally posted by petran79:

Longetivity does not matter. A good trained tournament player new to the series will stomp any older casual player.
So it depends what you want to achieve. Grasping the game basics is quite easy. But for the meantime avoid tournament level tips, since they are not for beginners and require months of training and dedication, plus reflexes and a lot of coffee.

I don't want to be the best player in the world per se, but I don't want to be the worst too. Losing is OK. But lack of winning feels frustrating. Especially, when I win in some fights 2 rounds out of 5. I played Arcana Heart 3 (Scharlachrot), Dead or Alive Online (Helena), Dead or Alive 5 Lost Round (Helena, Raidou, Naotora, Honoka), Dragon Ball FighterZ (Bardock/Goku Black/Android 21), Blazblue Cross Tag Battle (Carmine/Naoto, sometimes Labrys and Makoto) and several other fighting games online and I was not so frustrated. I just want to win some matches. And my opponent should not hold back.
Thanks everyone, for advice. I believe, I should give myself a little break from online and spend some time in training to improve myself in the game. Such as combos, techniques, moveset, etc. It will help me improve my damage output and make my fights easier, at least.

[Climhazzard]

I like to train some of the basics against the very hard tier AI. It's less stressful than fighting players so I can often do things when fighting the AI that I can't do when fighitng players. You just want to be careful not to develop bad habits because the AI will often let you get away with things players won't, like spamming one move over and over.