AI is rigged

[Metal]

Just played 3 consecutive games, each time the AI won because I never got resources, I was placed on not 1 but 2 common rolls and I ended the game with 2 points from the 2 settlements you start with. Unbelievable how this game is rigged

[Teddykrieger_Michel]

Last week I played a game against 5 AI´s and won with 21 victory points, the best of them had 9 Vp. In this part, the game is not rigged, YOU are a bad player (please don´t hate me).
I think, you are a beginner, because of that I give you help.
-There are 3 difficult level fot the AIs: beginner, veteran, expert.
Beginners should choose beginner.
-A dice has 6 sides, because of that there are 36 abilities for two dices:
"2"+"12" one abilty, "3"+"11" two abilities, "4"+"10" three, "5"+"9" four, "6"+"8" five, "7" six.
Because of that: "6" is a good number", "12" a bad. "8" is better than "11" and "12".
-In a large number of games the statistic shows this distribution. But in ONE game not. Perthaps in one game "11" comes very often, "8" rare. In the other "11" comes never, "4" often. Because of that some people talk about "manipulated dices", but that´s nonsense (Hello s...storm!).
-You can choice "cards" instead of "dices". In the game you see rolling dices, but the results are more statistical. "8" and "6" will come often, "2" and "12" rare.
-Trading: The AIs are very stupid (although experts).(Please don´t tell it Candamir!) Often you can get two resources for one.
All beginning is hard, experience makes the expert. Try again.

[aaadavo]

Totally agreed I was in a game and the AI dice rolls keep coming up and almost none of mine ie, 8 came up every second dice roll 14 times in a row and my number 9 and 6 very rarely. The Ai also kept stealing my resources for no apparent reason and even though I had the lowest score still ganged up on my never would trade with me and most often sent me the robber. Each Ai was set to Master level but this does not increase the intelligence of the AI it just riggs the game in their favour which is rearly bad game design and not real AI. If you rig the game at least tell the player what parameters you are rigging and let us choose.

[aaadavo]

ps. before setting the difficulty to master I would win almost every game so I'm not a beginner and i also play with my friends on a real board and I beat them most games

[aaadavo]

The longest road mechanic often is not calculated correctly and the city walls dont work so the game is buggy and by definition rigged.

[Metal]

Originally posted by Teddykrieger_Michel:

Last week I played a game against 5 AI´s and won with 21 victory points, the best of them had 9 Vp. In this part, the game is not rigged, YOU are a bad player (please don´t hate me).
I think, you are a beginner, because of that I give you help.
-There are 3 difficult level fot the AIs: beginner, veteran, expert.
Beginners should choose beginner.
-A dice has 6 sides, because of that there are 36 abilities for two dices:
"2"+"12" one abilty, "3"+"11" two abilities, "4"+"10" three, "5"+"9" four, "6"+"8" five, "7" six.
Because of that: "6" is a good number", "12" a bad. "8" is better than "11" and "12".
-In a large number of games the statistic shows this distribution. But in ONE game not. Perthaps in one game "11" comes very often, "8" rare. In the other "11" comes never, "4" often. Because of that some people talk about "manipulated dices", but that´s nonsense (Hello s...storm!).
-You can choice "cards" instead of "dices". In the game you see rolling dices, but the results are more statistical. "8" and "6" will come often, "2" and "12" rare.
-Trading: The AIs are very stupid (although experts).(Please don´t tell it Candamir!) Often you can get two resources for one.
All beginning is hard, experience makes the expert. Try again. :cubrock:

While I appreciate the help, I understand that statistically speaking not every game is gonna be a winner, the fact that this scenario kept happening in almost every game I played is ridiculous, not to mention the trade option u mentioned to get 2 resources for 1 only works when the ai actually trades, even on beginner mode the ai never traded with me. Unless my game is broken its just unfair to the single player experience

[Teddykrieger_Michel]

Originally posted by aaadavo:

The longest road mechanic often is not calculated correctly and the city walls dont work so the game is buggy and by definition rigged.

I´d never seen that. (Enough other bugs this time.) (Perhaps you make a screenshot of this bug?)

Originally posted by aaadavo:

but this does not increase the intelligence of the AI

As I have seen it, the AI is better than in former times. Sometimes in C&K they made really artful maneuvres. I love that to have strong enemies, also I was very angry in game. Sometimes they made very stupid things - also like human players. I don´t like that they trade 1:2 with me, real players don´t do that, except special situations.

Originally posted by aaadavo:

Originally posted by Metal:

Since I play again, first I loosed "First Island", won 24 games, loosed "Through desert", won the last six. All games single player with expert AI.
Ok, I AM good (diamond). But this wouldn´t be possible if the game would be "rigged" as you describe it.

The problem for devs is to make a game
-enough hard for players like me (playing Catan since nearly 30 years)
-not to frustrating for beginners

You can´t get the experience of nearly 30 years in a few months. Perhaps it would be better for you, playing a while on "Veteran". Or play "multiplayer" against humans. There you meet all, the old wolfs, the greenhorns, all.

My Catan-name is "CosMichel".

[botlady]

Originally posted by Metal:

Just played 3 consecutive games, each time the AI won because I never got resources, I was placed on not 1 but 2 common rolls and I ended the game with 2 points from the 2 settlements you start with. Unbelievable how this game is rigged

computer cheats, rolls only its numbers, not fun!

[Teddykrieger_Michel]

Originally posted by botlady:

computer cheats, rolls only its numbers, not fun!

If you were right, how is it possible that I´m win nearly every single game?
(Difficulty master, in my last 49 single game I lost 2times.)

!!! I choosed the option "cards instead of dices", perhaps is this the solution for you all.

-A dice has 6 sides, because of that there are 36 abilities for two dices:
"2"+"12" one abilty, "3"+"11" two abilities, "4"+"10" three, "5"+"9" four, "6"+"8" five, "7" six.

The cards have the same distribution, but all of that 2times. After the half of the cards, a new card pile will be mixed. - It is possible that a number never comes, or a number very often. But seen over the whole game, the distribution is more balanced.

[strowbr]

I am not sure about the dice rolls, but there is one aspect where the AI almost certainly cheats, and that is when it steals a resource from you that you do not have. Like with the master merchant card - the AI will take two resources from my hand, as the card allows, but many times the resource it gets is NOT one that I had at the time. Very annoying....

[Teddykrieger_Michel]

Originally posted by strowbr:

I am not sure about the dice rolls, but there is one aspect where the AI almost certainly cheats, and that is when it steals a resource from you that you do not have. Like with the master merchant card - the AI will take two resources from my hand, as the card allows, but many times the resource it gets is NOT one that I had at the time. Very annoying....

You know what they take away from you. But how do you want to know what they get?!