DICE ROLLS SUCK

[Lillylovely]

I LOVE THIS GAME BUT I HATE THE STUPID DICE ALGORITHM.

I constantly lose due to 9s, 5s, and 8s. CONSTANTLY. There will be ONE THREE roll and the rest will be 5s and 9s. I am close to giving up this game because you all can't fix the damn way the dice rolls. Its unfair and uneven. I'd rather play this game IN REAL LIFE for better results. I am disappointed and very let down by the RNG. How am I supposed to get my friends to play when they can see the RNG flaws????

BIG FAIL. PLEASE FIX IT OR I WILL DEFINITELY QUIT AND STEER MY FRIENDS AWAY FROM THIS GAME. >:(

[jdinnis]

I am also disappointed by the dice in the this game, especially in solo mode. I just got boned in a game where 11 was rolled almost 3x more often than 8. 6,7,8 should be the most common rolls, with the probability dropping off the larger or smaller you get form there. I have also been in games where there were literally more 2's than 6's. In solo mode, it seems to cheat in favor of the AI players. The occurrence of 7's also seems to vary greatly based on how much it will impact the human player. I sat at 9 points for four rounds because the AI constantly rolled 7's and stile all the resources I needed.

[fearenough]

i don't think it is that dice is favor any one or AI they just have a bad rng. Watch out you will incur the wrath of noir with any complaints. If his ♥♥♥♥ was as big as his ego he would be in the world record books

[N o i r]

There is nothing to fix in the dice rolls algorithm.
It is random, and the developers have confirmed this multiple times.

No evidence of the rolls being other than random exists. No amount of bad luck will change this.

[fearenough]

Escrito originalmente por fearenough:

i don't think it is that dice is favor any one or AI they just have a bad rng. Watch out you will incur the wrath of noir with any complaints. If his ♥♥♥♥ was as big as his ego he would be in the world record books

lol see knowa is here. im off to play a fun game thats what i do is play fun games for past time on a board this is a fun game online i have plenty and this game is not one of them

[ShadowDark3]

Fun fact, when Spotify launched, listening to music on shuffle was truly random, however so many people complained about it that Spotify had to write an algorithm to actually make it LESS random (it would begin to prioritise songs that hadn't been played in awhile, among other tweaks).

Many games do this as well with things like critical chance. Designers will write an algorithm so that if you have 10% crit chance, the game will make it more or less likely you get a critical hit in order to FORCE you to have an average of 10% crits. Modern video games have conditioned you to expect probability to behave as a law rather than a guide to what is possible/probable.

What I'm saying is that what people think random should be and what random actually is are two very different things. The die rolls in Catan are random, with no modifiers or special algorithm forcing them to behave in the way you would expect.

[Archea9]

I have played many a game IRL where strange things have happened like lot's of 11's and very few 7's. Also the longer the game goes the closer the spread gets to the expected probability. You'll see this if you play the expansions.

[fearenough]

Escrito originalmente por ShadowDark3:

Fun fact, when Spotify launched, listening to music on shuffle was truly random, however so many people complained about it that Spotify had to write an algorithm to actually make it LESS random (it would begin to prioritise songs that hadn't been played in awhile, among other tweaks).

Many games do this as well with things like critical chance. Designers will write an algorithm so that if you have 10% crit chance, the game will make it more or less likely you get a critical hit in order to FORCE you to have an average of 10% crits. Modern video games have conditioned you to expect probability to behave as a law rather than a guide to what is possible/probable.

What I'm saying is that what people think random should be and what random actually is are two very different things. The die rolls in Catan are random, with no modifiers or special algorithm forcing them to behave in the way you would expect.

but dev has stated they use a modified pseudorandom rng not a true random rng A pseudorandom number generator (PRNG), also known as a deterministic random bit generator (DRBG),[1] is an algorithm for generating a sequence of numbers whose properties approximate the properties of sequences of random numbers. I got told was modified to make it more fair for all players a week after released on steam

[N o i r]

Escrito originalmente por fearenough:

but dev has stated they use a modified pseudorandom rng not a true random rng A pseudorandom number generator (PRNG), also known as a deterministic random bit generator (DRBG),[1] is an algorithm for generating a sequence of numbers whose properties approximate the properties of sequences of random numbers.

They did not say that. No computer algorithm is truly random, but some are good enough that they are for all extents and purposes completely indistinguishable from true random. We do not know with certainty whether or not the Catan one is one of those.

Escrito originalmente por fearenough:

I got told was modified to make it more fair for all players a week after released on steam

Source?

[fearenough]

but you have stated for months and backing it up with a total pile of crap how this game has a true random rng now you change you tune

[N o i r]

Escrito originalmente por fearenough:

but you have stated for months and backing it up with a total pile of crap how this game has a true random rng now you change you tune

No, I did not say that. I said that there is no evidence to suggest that the RNG is biased or unfair, because all the evidence presented so far are fallacious in one way or another.

It very well may be that this game has a gold-standard RNG indistinguishable from true random, or just one that is "good enough" that shows significant repetition every X rolls.

No statistically significant studies exist either way.

[Narkulus]

LOL, the dice conspiracies are still going. Maybe there should be an option where players can just make up their dice rolls, then everyone can cheat equally.

[N o i r]

You could say that the dice conspiracies are still rolling!

[ClassicHero]

The Catan RNG/PRNG genuinely sucks (generally to disadvantage of most players). I have started playing the game with the Dice Stats window open out of frustration. Currently in a game with 37 rolls thus far of which 13 are 5s. What is a very pleasurable game to play in the real world sucks online.

[Ice-Nine]

Escrito originalmente por ClassicHero:

The Catan RNG/PRNG genuinely sucks (generally to disadvantage of most players). I have started playing the game with the Dice Stats window open out of frustration. Currently in a game with 37 rolls thus far of which 13 are 5s. What is a very pleasurable game to play in the real world sucks online.

lol and the earth is flat and forest fires are caused by space lasers

[ClassicHero]

Thanks for the sarcasm, but I’m just pointing out a legitimate frustration with Catan Universe. While I understand streaks happen in randomness, seeing stats like 13 rolls of a 5 out of 37 can make the game feel off—especially when it consistently affects the experience. It’s not about conspiracy theories, just wanting the digital version to replicate the fairness we expect from real dice. If you've never felt this frustration, great for you, but it’s a shared concern for many players.