I paid for the game and here are my thoughts

[~.~']

Yes, I paid for the game.
And Yes, I am going to Uninstall it.
Completely trash game.
The game itself is great, but the number of bugs, the irresponsibility of devs team is huge.
And I can't believe that they are still allowed to be on Steam.
Maybe Steam needs a quality check for the product listing here.
And I decide to give up on the game when I read a comment from an admin that users are trolling them by reporting bugs...

Originally posted by Catan Universe CM:

Originally posted by Stroom:

The game is horribly broken. Most users stop playing after 6 months.

Please stop trolling and sharing of factual wrong information, If you don´t like it fair enough. But spare the rest of the community with your hate.

So not to trash you further, best wishes for your business. You could have made a fortune. But...

[Narkulus]

What bugs? I have 150 hours with no game breaking bugs. Some UI things I don't like and many people dropping out of games when things don't go their way or they have crappy internet (I can't remember the last time I lost connection).

[Narkulus]

By the way, you do need a strong internet connection. If I'm downloading a game, ping and connection speed will be too low to connect to the servers.

[~.~']

Originally posted by Narkulus:

By the way, you do need a strong internet connection. If I'm downloading a game, ping and connection speed will be too low to connect to the servers.

So I am having the connection that allows me to play Dota2 without a single problem and you are telling me that is not enough?

I have until now 185 hours of playing this game and I sincerely dont believe that you have never ever encouter a bug yourself before. otherwise you are extremely lucky boy.

[Narkulus]

Originally posted by (~.~)':

So I am having the connection that allows me to play Dota2 without a single problem and you are telling me that is not enough?

I'm telling you that if I try to download a game, Catan will not connect to its server at the same time. I've never really played Dota2 so I have no idea what it requires for a connection. When I play ANY online game, I try to avoid any other activity that's going to take signifcant bandwidth away.

I have until now 185 hours of playing this game and I sincerely dont believe that you have never ever encouter a bug yourself before. otherwise you are extremely lucky boy.

Well that's a very trashy post from someone with 185 hours in-game. An off the cuff rage post, I guess. The only bug for me has been the brown screen bug which was fairly frequent and wouldn't allow a game to start, but I've not had one of those since January so I assume it's fixed. That's why I asked, what bugs?

[XDude]

Originally posted by Narkulus:

I'm telling you that if I try to download a game, Catan will not connect to its server at the same time.

Haven't you just described a bug?

Catan is neither latency nor bandwidth sensitive.

[Stroom]

Internet connection issues for a simple game like Catan is unbelievable. It is not even a game that requires constant connection. Games should never drop for something as simple as a board game implementation. You need connection only for you to make your moves and to accept trade offers from other players. The fact that people drop from games is already a huge issue. But there are actual bugs in the game that can be game breaking. And in case of future tournaments (advertised more than 2 years ago, still in the making), it is going to be unacceptable that the game does not play according to the rules.

Try building roads in an 8 pattern. You will see that the length of your roads is 10 not 11 (the road connecting two half-loops is not counted). Not fixed for many years (it was also in the old Catan app made by the same developers, reported back then.).

Road calculations also seem to have mistakes when ships are in use. I don't like seafarers so I don't have the specifics about that.

AI is making very stupid moves. Trading with people who are too far in the lead or not making moves to prevent someone from stealing their longest road. The AI can substitute human players and start ruining games for people who want to play with rational opponents.

There are other problems with the game that are purely game design decision issues but I won't go into that in much detail. I have already mentioned these things over and over again but there are never going to be fixes for these because it takes developers too much effort to start from 0.

[Narkulus]

Originally posted by XDude:

Haven't you just described a bug?

Maybe not so much a bug as not very well network optimized. The simple solution for me, is to limit other network activity. An inconvenience, but not exactly a game breaking bug.

Catan is neither latency nor bandwidth sensitive.

Well apparantly it is latency or bandwidth sensitive or it would otherwise connect. I think what you mean to say is it should not be that sensitive, although to be honest, doing a full speed download while playing an online game is not recommended for any game.

[Narkulus]

Originally posted by Stroom:

Internet connection issues for a simple game like Catan is unbelievable. It is not even a game that requires constant connection. Games should never drop for something as simple as a board game implementation. You need connection only for you to make your moves and to accept trade offers from other players. The fact that people drop from games is already a huge issue. But there are actual bugs in the game that can be game breaking. And in case of future tournaments (advertised more than 2 years ago, still in the making), it is going to be unacceptable that the game does not play according to the rules.

Try building roads in an 8 pattern. You will see that the length of your roads is 10 not 11 (the road connecting two half-loops is not counted). Not fixed for many years (it was also in the old Catan app made by the same developers, reported back then.).

Road calculations also seem to have mistakes when ships are in use. I don't like seafarers so I don't have the specifics about that.

AI is making very stupid moves. Trading with people who are too far in the lead or not making moves to prevent someone from stealing their longest road. The AI can substitute human players and start ruining games for people who want to play with rational opponents.

There are other problems with the game that are purely game design decision issues but I won't go into that in much detail. I have already mentioned these things over and over again but there are never going to be fixes for these because it takes developers too much effort to start from 0.

I dont think I've ever made figure 8 roads in the game despite all those hours, so I've never experienced that, so I take your word. I NEVER get dropped from a game except for the example I gave above, but people drop frequently from my games.

I agree 100% with the design issues, but they're just quality of life things that don't keep me from playing.

[~.~']

Originally posted by Narkulus:

Originally posted by (~.~)':

So I am having the connection that allows me to play Dota2 without a single problem and you are telling me that is not enough?

I'm telling you that if I try to download a game, Catan will not connect to its server at the same time. I've never really played Dota2 so I have no idea what it requires for a connection. When I play ANY online game, I try to avoid any other activity that's going to take signifcant bandwidth away.

I have until now 185 hours of playing this game and I sincerely dont believe that you have never ever encouter a bug yourself before. otherwise you are extremely lucky boy.

Well that's a very trashy post from someone with 185 hours in-game. An off the cuff rage post, I guess. The only bug for me has been the brown screen bug which was fairly frequent and wouldn't allow a game to start, but I've not had one of those since January so I assume it's fixed. That's why I asked, what bugs?

Okay, I don't think I am going to argue with you on this one.
Just please, take a quick look at this discussion forum.

How many bugs report you find here?

How many responses directly address those bugs and solve them from the admin?

How many angry players here?

For the bugs, okay here is the list, FROM JANUARY and I am telling you the truth only:
- Game stuck without any sign. You have no idea until someone manages to tell you that you are stuck

- Game broken due to an AI replace a player and then could not finish a trade or a move.

- Brown screen.

- Yeah forgot about the cannot find server message while you still can watch youtube video.

If that is not enough and you still think the game is great, then kudo to you.

FYI 1: I turned off all other internet connection apps, including web browers, no download, torrent, even skype when I play the game.

FYI 2: Dota is a multiplayer game (too), RPG game with a complex system, graphics.

[Narkulus]

Originally posted by (~.~)':

Okay, I don't think I am going to argue with you on this one.
Just please, take a quick look at this discussion forum.

How many bugs report you find here?

How many responses directly address those bugs and solve them from the admin?

How many angry players here?

For the bugs, okay here is the list, FROM JANUARY and I am telling you the truth only:
- Game stuck without any sign. You have no idea until someone manages to tell you that you are stuck

- Game broken due to an AI replace a player and then could not finish a trade or a move.

- Brown screen.

I'm just saying brown screen is the only one I've personally experienced, although I have had a few opponents say they were stuck.

- Yeah forgot about the cannot find server message while you still can watch youtube video.

Don't try to play youtube videos while playing Catan :)

If that is not enough and you still think the game is great, then kudo to you.

I never said the game is great (which it has the potential to be), I said it could use some work. I've managed to get my point across without calling it a trash game and disparaging those that have put hard work into it, I can't even begin to imagine how many lines of code, hopefully many will get changed.

[XDude]

Originally posted by Narkulus:

Well apparantly it is latency or bandwidth sensitive or it would otherwise connect.

You forgot the possibility of "faults" - which is where we started from. If CU have set a timeout in the microsecond range, thats a "fault". However last I looked the kicktimer was 90 seconds or so... do you think your ping goes down that much due to other activity on your machine, or another app can steal all of your bandwidth?

Its quite apparent that many of the faults come from a bad (app level) network protocol. They even said they reworked it in one of the recent releases.

[fearenough]

Originally posted by Narkulus:

Originally posted by (~.~)':

So I am having the connection that allows me to play Dota2 without a single problem and you are telling me that is not enough?

I'm telling you that if I try to download a game, Catan will not connect to its server at the same time. I've never really played Dota2 so I have no idea what it requires for a connection. When I play ANY online game, I try to avoid any other activity that's going to take signifcant bandwidth away.

I have until now 185 hours of playing this game and I sincerely dont believe that you have never ever encouter a bug yourself before. otherwise you are extremely lucky boy.

Well that's a very trashy post from someone with 185 hours in-game. An off the cuff rage post, I guess. The only bug for me has been the brown screen bug which was fairly frequent and wouldn't allow a game to start, but I've not had one of those since January so I assume it's fixed. That's why I asked, what bugs?

i have 299 game hrs fast internet fibre to the door no downloads when play i7-5820k 31.8 usable ddr 4 ram x99 motherboard capable of small server workload need go on 1 out of 8 games play up lose 15 odd elo each time from boot of some sort. Very hard to get elo up as most players are 1 or 2 stars low elo and funny thing they mostly stay till game end win or lose other than 1s with timer bug. I have a brown screen bug 3 games ago 15 elo gone followed when try to reset no conection to server 8 games ago timer out on anouther player in middle od his turn type in to worn then timer jump out on me say 30 sec til boot i just finish my turn be4 he start his rebooted game will not rejoin tells me im booted 10 elo much effert to get elo from 980 after long delete break 2 1031 then with 1 last place in 10 games and 2 unfair boots and im back under 1000 with only 1 game finished in last place can still play any game on utra high settings but not this game

[fearenough]

you got to under stand no conection mean to game server not the players internet player stating utube working does not mean he watching utube at same time but how he cheaking his conection to internet working witch always will be as it conection to server that not working i thinking conection getting timed out throu hight server workload maybe your very close to server and gain 1 or 2 seconds but many dont and lose

[~.~']

Originally posted by Narkulus:

I never said the game is great (which it has the potential to be), I said it could use some work. I've managed to get my point across without calling it a trash game and disparaging those that have put hard work into it, I can't even begin to imagine how many lines of code, hopefully many will get changed.

This, right here is what I strongly disagree with.
I am an IT Dev myself, I know how tough it is to write tens thousand lines of code.
But you rather write a-10-lines which works beautifully than some messy thing that you dont even want to look at anymore.
That is not to mention about industry standard where you have to check your code each block and it is not a rocket science to write an online game nowadays.

[Narkulus]

Originally posted by (~.~)':

Originally posted by Narkulus:

I never said the game is great (which it has the potential to be), I said it could use some work. I've managed to get my point across without calling it a trash game and disparaging those that have put hard work into it, I can't even begin to imagine how many lines of code, hopefully many will get changed.

This, right here is what I strongly disagree with.
I am an IT Dev myself, I know how tough it is to write tens thousand lines of code.
But you rather write a-10-lines which works beautifully than some messy thing that you dont even want to look at anymore.
That is not to mention about industry standard where you have to check your code each block and it is not a rocket science to write an online game nowadays.

If you were an IT Dev, it would be highly unlikely you'd be hiding behind a keyboard calling others work trash. I don't buy it for a minute. If you were an IT Dev, I certainly wouldn't want you on my team.