Stuck on a puzzle. Is this a bug? (Spoilers)

[krisko]

I'm currently in the Crystal Cave. There's a section where you're climbing around on a pure white background and are supposed to move Anne so that she matches the frames placed around the area. There's one where you need to climb onto then somehow fall off of a ladder to the left without rolling. I can hit this mark but it seems as though I'm a few pixels to the right more than I should be even though I swear I'm hitting it. What should I do? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1387698964

[Wolfox]

I just clicked on the sitting Anne frame and it worked.

[Гегель в отрицании]

Yeah, just press the E button

[Duneyrr]

It's the animation she plays out whenever she picks up an item from the floor or examines something on the ground. Just walk up to it an press the main interaction button (X on PS controller, A on Xbox controller, E or Left Mouse on Keyboard/Mouse).

[Natase]

I'm in the same area but there's a ladder I can't climb. It's just left of a bridge and the 'frames' I need to match look like I need to climb the ladder, then jump to the left and land on my face. I've collected/matched all the other frames in the area but it seems there's no way to climb the ladder to get the two remaining ones (one jumping, one lying down from a fall).

[Linea]

you need to do the frames in a certain order. there are more frames to match before you can climb the ladder. just move around its a square area that makes you walk in circles until you find another frame.

[Natase]

I've been wandering that circle for a long time now - it's possible I've missed something but I've walked/run/jumped at every invisible wall/floor/edge I can find with no luck. I did the frames in the order I discovered them (clockwise) but keep returning to the unclimbable ladder. If there is an order required it's not clear what it is, it's also unclear that there's more work required before the ladder is functional. I'll keep looking though, thanks for the reply.

[Natase]

I should also clarify that there are two unclimbable ladders. One in the back which goes up and one in the front which goes down. It's the one in the back I'm concerned about since I can see frames up there - the one in front looks like it leads somewhere else (downward).

[Duneyrr]

Originally posted by Natase:

I should also clarify that there are two unclimbable ladders. One in the back which goes up and one in the front which goes down. It's the one in the back I'm concerned about since I can see frames up there - the one in front looks like it leads somewhere else (downward).

Go to the one in the front (the one leading down) and hold 'up' on your controller/keyboard. You should hear Anne climbing - and her 'shadow' is. She'll reach the top and you can collect her, unlocking the ability to climb ladders. :)

[jussr]

You can get the one where you need to fall without using the ladder - there's a spot you can jump up to reach the ledge you need which I found via desperately trying everything. Just go to the left edge of the stairs leading to the lever, or a little past them, facing left, and jump up.

[jussr]

Originally posted by Duneyrr:

Originally posted by Natase:

I should also clarify that there are two unclimbable ladders. One in the back which goes up and one in the front which goes down. It's the one in the back I'm concerned about since I can see frames up there - the one in front looks like it leads somewhere else (downward).

Go to the one in the front (the one leading down) and hold 'up' on your controller/keyboard. You should hear Anne climbing - and her 'shadow' is. She'll reach the top and you can collect her, unlocking the ability to climb ladders. :)

I don't know if it's too late for you to patch this section at all, but a couple of things about it are really non-obvious and frustrating for the player. That section of the game took me maybe an hour all told - which is a fairly large chunk of time for something that took 8 hours total - and I spent a fair bit of that time just running around clicking and jumping everywhere in the hopes that something would help with the last few things I couldn't for the life of me work out.
Some suggestions, if you're interested:

1. It's easy to miss that there's an Anne on that ladder, as well as that you need to be making *her* climb up at all - you introduced the idea of moving your shadow instead earlier, yeah, but for the entirety of this misty section other than this puzzle, it's you moving to where your shadow is, not v.v. You could maybe make this easier to figure out by having the camera zoom out when you're at the top of that ladder so you can see the whole of it and not miss the fact that there's an Anne down there and your movements move her too? Because the natural impulse is to be hitting the down key when you're at or near the top of that ladder to try to climb it, it's very easy to have that Anne completely out of sight every time you try to solve this bit.

2. The Anne at the bottom of that ladder is in nearly the exact same position you get if you drop down off the ladder, which makes it really easy to spend a lot of time trying to drop down and move just a little to the side in the process, rather than realising that it's the picking something up pose. If that one was moved somewhere else, or even just far enough off to the side from the ladder that it becomes obvious it's impossible to mimic it by falling... but really, I'd switch that one and maybe the lever Anne just to be absolutely safe. That also would remove the temptation to think the lever might be somehow related to the unclimbable ladder up top.

3. Speaking of, there's no indication that you need to unlock the ability to climb ladders, or reason to think there would be, and a good chance people are going to come to the ladder they can't do anything with before the one they can. Why need to use the correct ladder first to unlock the ability at all? Why not just let us do them in whatever order?


That all said, it's a credit to your game that I kept on despite my extreme frustration with this part! There's absolutely no faster way to have me click past a game than to tell me it's a platformer, but after seeing ManyATrueNerd's video awhile back, I couldn't resist trying it out anyway. And it was absolutely lovely; there have been very few games that left me emotionally affected and thinking about what happened for literally *days* afterwards. Looking forward to whatever you guys do next.

[veselatorba]

That white section is the worst part of the game.

[Natase]

Thanks for your help, I never would have figured that out. I agree with everything already said, especially about the lack of clues around needing to unlock an ability (ladder climbing) which occurs nowhere else in the game, as well as the unintuitive way to do this. Zooming out to see at least a head or a hand of the 'mirror' Anna would have saved a tonne of time. I loved this game but this area was a definite negative experience.

[El Botijo]

Originally posted by sparklecatty:

2. The Anne at the bottom of that ladder is in nearly the exact same position you get if you drop down off the ladder, which makes it really easy to spend a lot of time trying to drop down and move just a little to the side in the process, rather than realising that it's the picking something up pose. If that one was moved somewhere else, or even just far enough off to the side from the ladder that it becomes obvious it's impossible to mimic it by falling... but really, I'd switch that one and maybe the lever Anne just to be absolutely safe. That also would remove the temptation to think the lever might be somehow related to the unclimbable ladder up top.

I am one of those people who thought it was the falling animation rather than picking something up. Note that the rest of the game has indicators to where you need to press the action button, and you do not have that feedback in this area.

[Llamamoe]

Calling this the worst part of the game is a very severe understatement, it's one of the worst, if not THE worst segment I have ever seen in an adventure game.

[Tentacle Grape]

it didn't took me 5 mins to finish the white section. and I was sleepy. I literally just circled around. some areas I had more problems than this. It took me an instant to figure out that I had to "collect" all those static form of hers. as for the "shadow", she's *only* going up or down the ladder when you press up or down, which made me instantly gave me the idea I also have to collect the shadow.

(don't worry I'll buy this game in time)