Massive FPS drop in menu screens

[Noir]

While the game runs an unlimited FPS of 1000 or so, in menues, it drops to 1 FPS and barely moves. AMD Software shows a 100% microstutter rate at that. I tried virtually everything. I set every option to low or turned it off. I tried window mode. I tried different versions of the game. I injected Special K, used the Sen patcher, tried deleting save files. Obviously tried limiting FPS to 60 as well, turning on Vsync / using Freesync due to 75 Hz monitor. Nothing helps, problem persists.

Special K might've improved it a little, where frames don't drop as low but that may be more random than anything. I also checked if my 6700 XT was running it or maybe the game didn't recognize the card, but that was fine. I still explicitely told the game to use the card in the display/Graphics settings on Windows. Neither GPU nor CPU (ryzen 5 3600) show any signs of high utilization. The game runs fine outside of menues, during skipping of cutscenes, the game also stutters and basically plays still frames but keeps going all the same.

It's barely playable but just not that much fun when you basically have short freezes when switching equipment, opening the map or changing Quartz etc. The only thing that's super fluid w/o issues is field exploration and combat which should be way more demanding. I also tried moving the install from my M2 to my slower SSD but that did changed nothing.

I also doubt it's some hardware issue because I literally just finished playing A Plague Tale: Requiem on ultra settings without any issues. Any helpful ideas I've not yet tried would be welcome. I'd really like to replay the games in anticipation of Kuro but this is just frustrating.

Edit: anyone with the same issue: it's an AMD problem. some suggest lowering MSAA helps. It doesn't for me though. :(

[pyroluv]

same XFX RX 6750 XT Merc , Ryzern 9 5950x , Windows !!
only in menu's it freezes for couple seconds can scroll. Esp when reading logs or books it takes a bit to load. just freezes for a couple secs.

[Noir]

Originally posted by pyroluv:

same XFX RX 6750 XT Merc , Ryzern 9 5950x , Windows !!
only in menu's it freezes for couple seconds can scroll. Esp when reading logs or books it takes a bit to load. just freezes for a couple secs.

Xseed support answered my mail and told me they've always had issues with the 5000 and 6000 series and none of the driver updates ever addressed the issue. Apparently it's been fixed for CS III and CS IV - but CS I, II and Tokyo Xanadu will probably never run well on these graphic cards.

[messanoir]

Originally posted by Noir:

Originally posted by pyroluv:

same XFX RX 6750 XT Merc , Ryzern 9 5950x , Windows !!
only in menu's it freezes for couple seconds can scroll. Esp when reading logs or books it takes a bit to load. just freezes for a couple secs.

Xseed support answered my mail and told me they've always had issues with the 5000 and 6000 series and none of the driver updates ever addressed the issue. Apparently it's been fixed for CS III and CS IV - but CS I, II and Tokyo Xanadu will probably never run well on these graphic cards.

I don't suppose that XSEED mentioned what it was about the cards or drivers they have issues with, or did they ask you to provide any log files or anything? Just curious if there was anything I could test for you since we have an almost identical setup (R5 3600 and RX6700XT) and although I noticed similar low GPU and CPU usage (the game is all maxed out including MSAA) except I don't get the frame drops.

At least in CS1, I just finished installing Tokyo Xanadu so going to give that a try, but if there is anything you want me try, or any info I might be able to provide, I'm happy too.

[Noir]

Originally posted by messanoir:

Originally posted by Noir:

Xseed support answered my mail and told me they've always had issues with the 5000 and 6000 series and none of the driver updates ever addressed the issue. Apparently it's been fixed for CS III and CS IV - but CS I, II and Tokyo Xanadu will probably never run well on these graphic cards.

I don't suppose that XSEED mentioned what it was about the cards or drivers they have issues with, or did they ask you to provide any log files or anything? Just curious if there was anything I could test for you since we have an almost identical setup (R5 3600 and RX6700XT) and although I noticed similar low GPU and CPU usage (the game is all maxed out including MSAA) except I don't get the frame drops.

At least in CS1, I just finished installing Tokyo Xanadu so going to give that a try, but if there is anything you want me try, or any info I might be able to provide, I'm happy too.

No, they did not. They said there are 'periodically developed issues with AMD GPU/drivers'. The MSAA reduction was meant to help with crashes some people were experiencing. But yeah, same exact card and CPU, maybe it's a mainboard thing (B450 gaming plus max) or something else but I tried so many things already. The weirdest thing is that the game runs perfectly fine and then just slows down so massively while browsing items or Quartz - just any menu screen which is so baffling. If it all ran poorly or couldn't handle some more complex spells or areas, that'd be more clear, but menues? What is the problem with keeping reasnable FPS in a menu?

[messanoir]

Originally posted by Noir:

Originally posted by messanoir:

I don't suppose that XSEED mentioned what it was about the cards or drivers they have issues with, or did they ask you to provide any log files or anything? Just curious if there was anything I could test for you since we have an almost identical setup (R5 3600 and RX6700XT) and although I noticed similar low GPU and CPU usage (the game is all maxed out including MSAA) except I don't get the frame drops.

At least in CS1, I just finished installing Tokyo Xanadu so going to give that a try, but if there is anything you want me try, or any info I might be able to provide, I'm happy too.

No, they did not. They said there are 'periodically developed issues with AMD GPU/drivers'. The MSAA reduction was meant to help with crashes some people were experiencing. But yeah, same exact card and CPU, maybe it's a mainboard thing (B450 gaming plus max) or something else but I tried so many things already. The weirdest thing is that the game runs perfectly fine and then just slows down so massively while browsing items or Quartz - just any menu screen which is so baffling. If it all ran poorly or couldn't handle some more complex spells or areas, that'd be more clear, but menues? What is the problem with keeping reasnable FPS in a menu?

OK, still trying to think up other things to try and narrow it down....how about, have you tried windowed, borderless and fullscreen, does the issue happen the same?

Last thing I can think of at the moment, open task manager, click on the settings/gear at the bottom left, and set it to "always be on top" (so you can see it while the game is running without alt+tabbing.

Then, run the game, and check processes and performance sections in regular gameplay (just to make sure nothing weird is happening in the background) and then open a menu and watch those sections and take not if anything is maxing out or hitting your cpu/gpu/RAM hard, or if there is a process eating up resources.

Meanwhile, I'll keep looking and try a few things on my game..

[Noir]

Originally posted by messanoir:

Last thing I can think of at the moment, open task manager, click on the settings/gear at the bottom left, and set it to "always be on top" (so you can see it while the game is running without alt+tabbing.

Then, run the game, and check processes and performance sections in regular gameplay (just to make sure nothing weird is happening in the background) and then open a menu and watch those sections and take not if anything is maxing out or hitting your cpu/gpu/RAM hard, or if there is a process eating up resources.

Meanwhile, I'll keep looking and try a few things on my game..

The weird thing is that the GPU just goes down to ~3% when browsing the menu while it's at 18% when just looking at the menu and at about 40% during generic gameplay. It's as if the graphics card simply stops working on the game when you scroll or just limits its usage to extremly low amounts for it while CPU does not compensate, just stays steady. Nothing else really happens. No RAM or disk writes that spike. Just the graphic card not feeling like doing it's job.

[messanoir]

I'm going to try and test a few other things today, but the only other thing I can think of that sounds like this issue, weirdly enough, is a graphics card not seated all the way in the slot.

Works for most things, might never notice it, and then randomly it will lose partial contact and just cut out then come back. It's just weird that it would happen only when actually browsing the menu.

[pyroluv]

Originally posted by Noir:

Originally posted by pyroluv:

same XFX RX 6750 XT Merc , Ryzern 9 5950x , Windows !!
only in menu's it freezes for couple seconds can scroll. Esp when reading logs or books it takes a bit to load. just freezes for a couple secs.

Xseed support answered my mail and told me they've always had issues with the 5000 and 6000 series and none of the driver updates ever addressed the issue. Apparently it's been fixed for CS III and CS IV - but CS I, II and Tokyo Xanadu will probably never run well on these graphic cards.

I do have a amd rx vega 64 and rx 580. I bet those will work fine till cs III and above, by then i can reswap my card back to rx 6750xt.

I bet the RDNA 2 has problems but GCN 5.0 and below would work fine since its in that era when the game has been made in Japan?

[Noir]

Originally posted by pyroluv:

Originally posted by Noir:

Xseed support answered my mail and told me they've always had issues with the 5000 and 6000 series and none of the driver updates ever addressed the issue. Apparently it's been fixed for CS III and CS IV - but CS I, II and Tokyo Xanadu will probably never run well on these graphic cards.

I do have a amd rx vega 64 and rx 580. I bet those will work fine till cs III and above, by then i can reswap my card back to rx 6750xt.

I bet the RDNA 2 has problems but GCN 5.0 and below would work fine since its in that era when the game has been made in Japan?

That's probably true. had I not sold my 1660 TI I would've just plugged that one in to play these games.

[pyroluv]

Originally posted by Noir:

Originally posted by pyroluv:

I do have a amd rx vega 64 and rx 580. I bet those will work fine till cs III and above, by then i can reswap my card back to rx 6750xt.

I bet the RDNA 2 has problems but GCN 5.0 and below would work fine since its in that era when the game has been made in Japan?

That's probably true. had I not sold my 1660 TI I would've just plugged that one in to play these games.

No wonder the RX 580 still top best seller in gpu for only $95.99
https://www.amazon.com/SHOWKINGS-RX-580-Graphics-DVI-Output/dp/B0BLZHHFMB/ref=zg_bs_g_284822_d_sccl_8/146-1257592-7915134?th=1

Its cheap and compatible.'
Also i do have a AM3 motherboard with Amd fx 8350 for older games that crash with any cpu with more than 8 core count. The games like World In Conflict.