The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel

The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel

Cocoa Jun 23, 2023 @ 9:41am
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Feels kinda weak
So, I just started playing Cold Steel 1 a few days ago, after finishing Trails to Azure (which I loved). I know it's the first entry but it doesn't have a really good presentation:

- It feels like a cheap knock off of Persona 3 onwards.
- At first glance, all characters seems dull.
- The interactions between characters are one of the most empty anime-like that I saw from a Trails game.

The graphics doesn't bother me, since I know Falcom doesn't have a great budget and the game itself is originally for PS3. Also, I'll finish it regardless and my plan is to continue playing the rest of the games, since I'm invested in the world and the overarching story involving previous games.

My question is: does it get any better later? I'm afraid that I'll not get invested with the characters since they look so boring and that will hinders in my enjoyment of the game. With no spoilers please, I just want to know some opinions.
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myhr2 Jun 23, 2023 @ 11:14am 
Gameplay-wise, it's arguably better than Sky and Azure, and keeps getting better. Story-wise, it's one degree under Sky and Azure but still competent. By that I mean that you have to overlook some aspects to enjoy the good stuff. It is more noticable than in Sky/Azure, though, so ymmv.
Imho, it's still very much worth it for the sheer scope of the story. If I had to sum up my opinion, I'd say Steel has lower lows than either Sky or Azure, but it has moments as high, and since there are more Steel games, these moments, both low and high, feel more diluted than in Sky or Azure. In average, less good, but as I said, still satisfactory.
EdgarAllenSwole Jun 23, 2023 @ 1:20pm 
It doesn't improve in the specific areas you mentioned. Characters are flat the whole way and don't get meaningful dialogue with anyone besides the main character.
Stabbey Jun 23, 2023 @ 8:37pm 
Well... yes, it does get better. All Trails games take a little while to scratch the surface of the characters and dive deeper. The prologue is there to paint a very brief sketch of all the characters before getting deeper and giving a closer look to each of them.


That said, Cold Steel definitely has some issues. This isn't all of them, but it's a start:

1) There's a larger than usual party size. It starts out with 9, although the story limits who is in your party for large parts of the game. The "core" party size only goes up from there. This results in many party members getting shortchanged in development. While everyone gets moments in the spotlight, Alisa, Jusis, Machias, and maybe Fie tend to have the meatiest parts. Others are much more one-note (*cough* Elliot *cough*) or don't have enough conflict or trauma in their backstory to stand out against the others (*cough* Gaius *cough*), or only really get development and spotlight time in later games (*cough* Emma *cough*), or are just shocking wastes of potential (*cough Laura *cough*).

2) Making matters worse, a lot of character quirks and development is crammed into optional bonding scenes, which are gated by bonding points, and you won't have enough to see everyone's scene without being on NG+ and selecting unlimited bonding points.

3) Continuing from Zero-Azure, the main protagonist can optionally choose a romantic option, which means that they are written as dense and oblivious to the attention from girls until the moment of choosing. The developers also clearly have a favorite who gets the most and strongest scenes with the main character, which often annoys players who have a different preference (and even if you do consistently pick the developer's favored choice, the mandatory obliviousness is still annoying, because in almost every game Rean gets reset back to neutral).

4) Class VII's premise is that it's bringing together a diverse set of lifestyles and experiences from across the country, a set of different voices, which sometimes conflict. However, after about the halfway point of Cold Steel 1, the different viewpoints start to shifts to "I agree with Rean." The combination of rarely leaving Rean's viewpoint, making all the bonding events being 1-on-1 with Rean and a person, and everyone and everything focusing around Rean and how special Rean is really sucks the air out of the room for everyone else, which is especially glaring for a series with such a high playable character count.

5) Unlike previous player characters, Rean doesn't have a direction in life, and unlike previous games, his motivational speeches too often are just empty platitudes. In Crossbell, Elie's big issue was Crossbell's messy political deadlock. It was something which was impossible for her to solve on her own, so because she didn't know what concrete steps to take towards the goal, she just spun her wheels and got nowhere. Rean is unfortunately a lot like that.


Originally posted by EdgarAllenSwole:
It doesn't improve in the specific areas you mentioned. Characters are flat the whole way and don't get meaningful dialogue with anyone besides the main character.

Well, I'd say that Alisa and Machias at the very least get some definite character development, although that is damning with faint praise.
Last edited by Stabbey; Sep 3, 2023 @ 8:40am
Cocoa Jun 24, 2023 @ 3:46am 
Hey guys, thanks for your answers!

From your comments, now I know that is worse than I imagined. The characters were what, along with the story, hooked me into this series, which is a shame seeing it going to this direction. Being also a big fan of Persona, I see where Falcom did want to go but failed horribly.

Originally posted by Stabbey:
4) Class VII's premise is that it's bringing together a diverse set of lifestyles and experiences from across the country, a set of different voices, which sometimes conflict. However, after about the halfway point of Cold Steel 1, the different viewpoints start to shifts to "I agree with Rean." The combination of rarely never leaving Rean's viewpoint, making all the bonding events being 1-on-1 with Rean and a person, and everyone and everything focusing around Rean and how special Rean is really sucks the air out of the room for everyone else, which is especially glaring for a series with such a high playable character count.

This is really sad lol, since in Crossbell we also have a diverse cast that, aside from Ellie, it's really entertaining and have really good interactions between them. I think that's the benefit of having a concise cast rather than a collection of waifus and husbandos, which in other games I don't really take an issue with that but here in Trails comes off as cheap and uninspired just to cash in on the popularity of Persona.

I was really hyped to play Cold Steel since it is directly connected to the events happening in Crossbell, and I'm still hyped don't get me wrong. I know the story is going to be great and really want to know what will happen next, so I'll just put my energy into that!
Exarch_Alpha Jun 24, 2023 @ 5:48am 
I disagree with what you said but respect your opinion.
NisseDood Jun 24, 2023 @ 9:20am 
Cold steel never really gets better.
It actually gets worse.
Cold steel 3 is when I gave up because the writing just became so bad and I loved sky and crossbell.
Cocoa Jun 24, 2023 @ 12:36pm 
Originally posted by NisseDood:
Cold steel never really gets better.
It actually gets worse.
Cold steel 3 is when I gave up because the writing just became so bad and I loved sky and crossbell.
That is so sad. I hope I can handle it when I get there lol.
brooksie28 Jun 25, 2023 @ 7:24am 
Adding my two cents, because I find this sort of thing really fun to talk about; will try not to repeat too much.

One thing I'd definitely start with, though probably don't need to say it, is I'd encourage you to go in open-minded. Even given you've got issues with what you've seen so far, it's still plenty possible you won't end up as down on it as others are. While I've only played through 2 so far myself, my stance so far is that I think there are notable ways in which it's weaker than the other sagas so far, but nothing has come remotely toward making me as negative about it as others seem to be.

I'm with Stabbey and some others on thinking one of the ways in which Steel is most hampered is the cast size. For comparison, the Sky main story had, depending on your point of view, either 1 or 2 main characters, who ended up quite well developed. Zero / Azure switches gears to something similar to what Steel ends up doing, but since the focus group only has 4 people, each of them still gets a fair bit of focus and development as individuals. In Steel, in many ways the main character is 'Class 7', and at 9 people strong, that just doesn't allow much room for individual development. Even within that context, I think some things can be done better. That said, I personally at least found that taking Class 7 as a whole as a character, there's some decent 'character' writing with its development and arc over time; if not to the level of earlier series, at least reasonably comparable.

Beyond that, I would say that some of the other key things that I look for in the series -- the vignettes that almost any given NPC goes through over the course of the games, the little world building details that were planted throughout earlier games in the series and come back / finally make sense here -- are all still very much present and accounted for. Even with the character writing not reaching the same highs, I definitely think that if that aspect has any appeal for you whatsoever, you'll continue to be well more than satisfied moving forward.
Killermoose69 Jun 27, 2023 @ 1:07pm 
Does have a Persona vibe...with the bonding, spending time. Even the dude BlueBluc, never knew he's a phantom thief wannabe sending out "calling cards" :steamhappy:
Last edited by Killermoose69; Jun 27, 2023 @ 1:08pm
Briscuit Aug 27, 2023 @ 7:36pm 
Originally posted by Killermoose69:
Does have a Persona vibe...with the bonding, spending time. Even the dude BlueBluc, never knew he's a phantom thief wannabe sending out "calling cards" :steamhappy:
This is funny cause hes been doing thst well before 5 was a twinkle in atlus's eye
Tario Aug 28, 2023 @ 10:29am 
To be completely fair for most of the time i am the malcontent and the one that speak this or that is bad... But honestly? I was starting cold steel with a mindset "well its worse than zero and older games probably, just like everyone said..." and when i started to play without expectations... I actually like it? I mean... Really, for now im thinking that i will probably end it way faster than i ended Zero since zero "slogged" for me at some point while here i kinda like the premise and "breaks" ak'a academic parts
Exarch_Alpha Sep 2, 2023 @ 5:03am 
Originally posted by Killermoose69:
Does have a Persona vibe...with the bonding, spending time. Even the dude BlueBluc, never knew he's a phantom thief wannabe sending out "calling cards" :steamhappy:

This is stupid. IIRC Bleublanc/Phantom Thief B already had puzzles and cards with clues since Trails SC (maybe even the FIRST trails game). WELL before Persona 5.

Delete your comment, you have no idea how idiotic you sound.
Tario Sep 2, 2023 @ 5:41am 
Yup, he was in trails FC too
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