best non-jogress digimon

[sugar honey ice & tea]

I want to know your opinion guys. I have AO and terriermon. I don't really like terriermon BM and want to change it

[FrozenBlue]

Publicado originalmente por Hawkstein:

Publicado originalmente por FrozenBlue:

Valdur dont have +41 AT :P its just size difference, since all BMs with same AS has same AT after rebaalnce

Sorry, Valdur actually does +61 ":P"
https://dmowiki.com/Valdurmon -> ATK = 1003
https://dmowiki.com/Imperialdramon_(Paladin_Mode) -> ATK = 938

Really bro wiki? "facepalm"
Everyone BM in this game has a base DPS of 375 after the last rebalance.
2.5*375 = 937.5 = 938 , its same for Paladian and Valdur and every other BM who has a 2.5 base AS .
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DG30FPx2HC8CS-rxOju4vPUZXnw_AvJSCOVJ3vvyI-U/htmlview?sle=true#
Do not refer to dmo wiki for anything other than basic guides,evo requirements and other infos.
its just a thing made by some players.

Either way Valdur is probably better than paladian, since you can use 1 F2 followed by 2 F1s.
Valdur F1 is also an instant hit skill , so it can use ASB.
Anyways Exvmon would still be better in the long term thx to Dragon Mode being one of the strongest end game DPS Vaccine Light Digis. whos probably as strong as an AO without ASB.
or Stronger if those raids are longer than 1min.

Anyway Valdur is one of my fav digis,
Hope they add this guy into the game soon.
http://digimon.wikia.com/wiki/Chaosmon:_Valdur_Arm#Chaosmon:_Valdur_Arm

[Hawkstein]

Publicado originalmente por FrozenBlue:

Really bro wiki? "facepalm"
Everyone BM in this game has a base DPS of 375 after the last rebalance.
2.5*375 = 937.5 = 938 , its same for Paladian and Valdur and every other BM who has a 2.5 base AS .
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DG30FPx2HC8CS-rxOju4vPUZXnw_AvJSCOVJ3vvyI-U/htmlview?sle=true#
Do not refer to dmo wiki for anything other than basic guides,evo requirements and other infos.
its just a thing made by some players.

Either way Valdur is probably better than paladian, since you can use 1 F2 followed by 2 F1s.
Valdur F1 is also an instant hit skill , so it can use ASB.
Anyways Exvmon would still be better in the long term thx to Dragon Mode being one of the strongest end game DPS Vaccine Light Digis. whos probably as strong as an AO without ASB.
or Stronger if those raids are longer than 1min.

Anyway Valdur is one of my fav digis,
Hope they add this guy into the game soon.
http://digimon.wikia.com/wiki/Chaosmon:_Valdur_Arm#Chaosmon:_Valdur_Arm

Indeed, but we need to be cautious the Vaccine types are everything. Dragon Mode can win Devimon/Skullgreymon/Etemon/Diaboromon while ties at Datamon/Zhuqiaomon, but others like Monochromon, Xuan, Baihu and the upcoming Azulong might need other digis like Beelzemon and Apocalymon (some KRs were even using Veno/Malomyotismon for Baihumon). Mono goes even more hilarious if you use an Argomon (Mega), as it benefits from both attributes.

[FrozenBlue]

Publicado originalmente por Hawkstein:

Mono goes even more hilarious if you use an Argomon (Mega), as it benefits from both attributes.

Meh as equipments gets stronger the attribute advantage of weaker digis , with high AS is kinda negligable since Critical damage doesnt get boosted by attribute advantage.

[Hawkstein]

Publicado originalmente por FrozenBlue:

Publicado originalmente por Hawkstein:

Mono goes even more hilarious if you use an Argomon (Mega), as it benefits from both attributes.

Meh as equipments gets stronger the attribute advantage of weaker digis , with high AS is kinda negligable since Critical damage doesnt get boosted by attribute advantage.

Still worth the shot.

You've also reminded me why Beelzemon seems to be more popular than Imperail DM, most probably due to the high crit. I've seen many Impmons being used by Keenan tamers.

[Milkaholic]

Publicado originalmente por Hawkstein:

Still worth the shot.

You've also reminded me why Beelzemon seems to be more popular than Imperail DM, most probably due to the high crit. I've seen many Impmons being used by Keenan tamers.

Hands down best non jogress virus digi right there. Low AS + ASB on mega. Can be beaten by super apo on crowded raid though. No clue if he's still used now with Mille around.

[FrozenBlue]

Publicado originalmente por Fluffy Ball of Death:

Can be beaten by super apo on crowded raid though. No clue if he's still used now with Mille around.

Apo beats Imp? Not in a million years. In crowded raid maybe Millenium/AO/Omega might beat it sometimes.
Millenium is good but Imp has just way too much raw DPS.

[Milkaholic]

Publicado originalmente por FrozenBlue:

Apo beats Imp? Not in a million years. In crowded raid maybe Millenium/AO/Omega might beat it sometimes.
Millenium is good but Imp has just way too much raw DPS.

There's only one guy in my server who can do that which is why I said "super apo". No clue what's his equipment but I never suspected he's using damage bug because even then his apo always neck to neck with the imps. Never mind I just remembered this was pre earrings lol

[FrozenBlue]

What is this super apo though ? :v , He has some special exclusive Apo?

[Milkaholic]

Publicado originalmente por FrozenBlue:

What is this super apo though ? :v , He has some special exclusive Apo?

Just my nickname for that guy's apo. I mean I never saw any other apo that can do that so it's kinda special xD

[Hawkstein]

ExVee casuals are everywhere.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=846516960

[FrozenBlue]

Publicado originalmente por Hawkstein:

ExVee casuals are everywhere. :wololo:

meh why would he use Dragon mode, if he dont have any good equips.1 AS digis are worse without accessories.

[Milkaholic]

When you have a decent equipment for Jogress (AT AT XX XX ring, AT AS CD XX neck, CD CD XX ear (in that order)), your Dragon Mode will be better than your Valdur. That's why we keep recommend him SMH. Most new player will be low on cash and it would be better if they don't waste their resource raising a digi that would be useless later on.

That tiny difference between Valdur and Paladin is not relevant because both will be useless in the end. Obviously, this argument only works if we're talking about raids. If we're talking just about collecting digi then it doesn't even matter. Just hatch what you want because most of their stat are roughly the same for each digivolution stage anyway. Farming/questing is not part of the equation simply because you can use anything for that (just clone your EV and go on your merry way).

[Xxanno]

Publicado originalmente por Hawkstein:

ExVee casuals are everywhere. :wololo:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=846516960

A bit off topic here, but what do you mean? Is not humanoid mode better suited to combat?

[Milkaholic]

Publicado originalmente por Xxanno:

A bit off topic here, but what do you mean? Is not humanoid mode better suited to combat?

Nope. Check the whole topic. It's been discussed why the mega (dragon mode) is better.

[Dux]

Publicado originalmente por Hawkstein:

ExVee casuals are everywhere. :wololo:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=846516960

I think it's unfair to call casuals to people using ExVee. A lot of the Omegamon users are new to the game, and simply pick their favourites. V-mon is unarguably one of the fan-favourites, so a lot of people enjoy using them. The game isn't meant to be about efficiency, but simply enjoying playing with your favourites.
I quite like V-mon myself, but the Veedramon line.

Publicado originalmente por Xxanno:

A bit off topic here, but what do you mean? Is not humanoid mode better suited to combat?

To give you a tl;dr of it the AS (attack speed) of Imperialdramon Dragon Mode is so good that with good equips and other good boosts (such as the AS deck boost) makes it such a fast normal attack damage dealer that it becomes a better Digimon than Fighter Mode or Paladin Mode. The latter can still hit harder, but Dragon Mode is so much faster he ends up dealing a lot more damage in fewer time.