Ursprünglich geschrieben von Feeona_PDX:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von GESTALT:

Clan Venture?

Wtf. Hopefully your game has better QA than your marketing on Steam...

That one is on me and my dyslexic ass. My bad!

So 4 versions of normal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G31657URsY&ab_channel=FreeCopyrightFreeSounds-ForVideoContents

We get fighter/wizard/stealth/charisma D&Dification and everyone called it weeks ago. I'm going to call it right now that this game is going to be very linear and the dialogue will be three shades of the same thing with the exact same results. The reason we know this is because had you included the clans everyone actually wanted, like Malkavian and Nosferatu, you'd have to change the dialogue and story to accommodate it.

Here, you won't have to change anything and I bet my bottom doller clan won't mean squat except for the occasional "You are a Ventrue..." (Segue into canned dialogue that's the same for everyone).

I guess the amazing pitch you guys got wasn't the cool story and amazing game design, it was "we can do this cheap".

A game from 2004 had more diversity of choice and malleability. Let that sink in.

the ventrue oh my god so laaaaame

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Triple G:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AdahnGorion:

Do you think most females in this game are over 6 feet tall? have well defined muscles and a strong jawline?
Do you think most Males look skinne and are incompetent? becuase that is not what I am seeing.. so I don´t understand the argument.

You said you wanted to list me examples, but there are none here.

The part you're not seeing is he is a misogynist who only wants pretty girls who can't do things as well as men.

Hope I helped clear the confusion.

What's a misogynist?? Are you pretty shaming? How dare you.

Pick a clan = pick a skill tree

I really hope that our character is very customizable because I have no interest in playing with this phyre that is being commercially promoted.

Sold uh-huh

The more I see the more I'm thinking this game is going to be less an RPG and more an animated novel interspersed with combat, where the player has little to no actual agency.

Let me get this straight (phun intended)...
No Lasombra and no Malkavian!

Do tell me two things...
First: For what did I "pay" you 90€ for the Bloodmoon Edition, soon to be 5 years ago?

Second question: Is it "too soon" wanting Hardsuit Labs back?

Ursprünglich geschrieben von disasterpeach:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Triple G:

The part you're not seeing is he is a misogynist who only wants pretty girls who can't do things as well as men.

Hope I helped clear the confusion.

What's a misogynist?? Are you pretty shaming? How dare you.

Given this non-sequitur of a comment, I actually believe you don't know what the word misogynist means.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Triple G:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von disasterpeach:

What's a misogynist?? Are you pretty shaming? How dare you.

Given this non-sequitur of a comment, I actually believe you don't know what the word misogynist means.

It's two different statements. People who typically rush to label others misogynist do not even know what it actually means because I read what you replied to and nothing he said indicates a hatred of women. Secondly, my response to your statement on pretty women was meant as sarcasm because obviously misogyny only applies to ugly women.

t's kinda sad that every official post about VTM: Bloodlines 2 on steam devolves into a political battleground where the "usual suspects", that label you as an insert -ist/-ism here], tell you why you can't have a good game...

Ursprünglich geschrieben von GrandMajora:

Would you accuse a female gamer of misandry (opposite phrase), because they don't want to play as an overweight neck beard for their character?

No, because apparently women can't be misandist. We woman are oppressed, and because we have no power we can be as hateful to men as we like. Women just don't have any agency or responsibility because patriarchy exists.

Then again, if I complain about ugly women in games I get accused of "internalized misogyny" anyway.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von GrandMajora:

I wish I had the skill, patience and funding to make an RPG, because I would put this to the test by making the male characters deliberately ugly. Then we'll see 'body positive' the gaming community is when their male characters don't look like athletic super models.

That would be a interesting social experiment, I would be curious to see the results amongst a wide audience. I do recall a article once that had the title "Body positivity is for women, not lazy white guys with dad bods" and several others that echoed that opinion.

But, I do want to say I find myself modding more modern games to make my male character models to look more visually appealing. Maybe not as much as the female models though.

Every single clan should be a base game option. We should be able to fully customise our character. That's the whole point of VTM.

This IP seems cursed.

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