I miss Brian Mitsoda working on this

[Ezir]

Like for real, he was on board in making bloodlines 2 as a sequel it should have been and all his work was scrapped. I hoped HSL was going to be changed into better studio when TCR took over... but honestly, it's just as bad and even worse. Too bad the game in my library was a gift from my ex, since can't easily refund without their consent (WTF Steam, why do I need that if its in MY library?) because I would do so.

It's not the bloodlines 2 that I hoped for, the vision from 2019 looked interesting and had a proper feel, although they were still adding DEI stuff so no thanks for that. This however is even worse, the genderless character is annoying and unrelatable, the combat looks weird and stiff and the 'voice in the head' seems extremely immersion breaking. The fact it's not even an cRPG game but action game it cherry on top of poop cake, its like making a prince of persia sci-fi shooter and calling it a prince of persia 2.

Overall, hopes for this game since Brian was misstreated are -100 / 100. Sad reality is the franchise apparently suffered its final death. Disheartening.

[Minnzy]

We all miss Brian Mitsoda. I really wish we got a full "Tell all" about why he was fired though.

[Ezir]

Originally posted by Minnzy:

We all miss Brian Mitsoda. I really wish we got a full "Tell all" about why he was fired though.

For real, the guy hoped to make Bloodlines 2, he put his all into making it...and they got rid of him and scrapped his work. They literally had people who made Bloodlines 1 to be such amazing story and they got rid of them

[COINCELPRO]

have you played anything the guy actually wrote? kills the fantasy of his input in VTMB real quick

[Ezir]

Originally posted by COINCELPRO:

have you played anything the guy actually wrote? kills the fantasy of his input in VTMB real quick

Yes, he provided feedback on NWN2 (Which I loved to play apart from main campaign ending) and was lead behind Alpha Protocol, which is again a very good game storywise (if not for the TERRIBLE bugs that make it hard to work but that's gameplay-engine related). I failt to see your point to be honest, the games he was behind were mostly fine.

That aside, both him and Chris Avellone were to work on VTMB2 but both got quite misstreated. Honestly the lack of guys behind the success of the first title can be clearly seen in the direction TCR went... although I do like some of TCR games (Dear Esther amazed me years back with its graphics), they have no experience with handling project like this.

Not to be negative, but the future of this game looks quite bleak.

[MtHoodlum]

I know I am super behind on all this information, as I see this all happened awhile ago, but now I know what I know. I am far less interested in this game now. Unfortunate because the first one was amazing.

[Coffee Break Hero]

I miss being optimistic about my future in general

[Minnzy]

Originally posted by Coffee Break Hero:

I miss being optimistic about my future in general

I feel you bro. Something I've been missing a lot lately myself.

[Coffee Break Hero]

hm

[Smig]

I'm amazed more info about his firing didn't leak by now. That whole thing is going to make people (me included) much less forgiving of this game's state when it comes out. TCR has no blame on the matter but now they have a steeper hill to climb.

[PainKiller]

the real writer with talent and intelligent is let go... what he have here is DEI useless talentless typers who think they are writers... this game is already dead... like any other DEI crap. RIP this dev corp is dead.

[PlayaPoncho]

Originally posted by PainKiller:

the real writer with talent and intelligent is let go... what he have here is DEI useless talentless typers who think they are writers... this game is already dead... like any other DEI crap. RIP this dev corp is dead.

I wouldn't say that mate. Because the writing in Bloodlines 1 was terrible and any man who wears gloves in the summer, has a few screws loose and he was the first one to get canned. But to each his own.

[Coffee Break Hero]

Originally posted by PlayaPoncho:

Originally posted by PainKiller:

the real writer with talent and intelligent is let go... what he have here is DEI useless talentless typers who think they are writers... this game is already dead... like any other DEI crap. RIP this dev corp is dead.

I wouldn't say that mate. Because the writing in Bloodlines 1 was terrible and any man who wears gloves in the summer, has a few screws loose and he was the first one to get canned. But to each his own.

Socrates once praised certain types of madness that are given by the gods. Like falling in love.

That said, BL1 was a product of many very talented people, not just Brian.

Still hoping InXile gets to make Bloodlines 3

[Ezir]

Originally posted by Coffee Break Hero:

Originally posted by PlayaPoncho:

I wouldn't say that mate. Because the writing in Bloodlines 1 was terrible and any man who wears gloves in the summer, has a few screws loose and he was the first one to get canned. But to each his own.

Socrates once praised certain types of madness that are given by the gods. Like falling in love.

That said, BL1 was a product of many very talented people, not just Brian.

Still hoping InXile gets to make Bloodlines 3

You mean Chris Avelone, who was falsely accused by two women of sexual harrasment which caused Paradox to turn their back on him (as many other contractors of his), even though those charges were later dropped as untrue and the guy sued the two woke warrior women back, for loss of face etc. Yep, there's lots news about that. Well there's also this:

https://chrisavellone.medium.com/what-the-♥♥♥♥-happened-to-bloodlines-2-1ad557bf2284

[MrNope]

Originally posted by PlayaPoncho:

Originally posted by PainKiller:

the real writer with talent and intelligent is let go... what he have here is DEI useless talentless typers who think they are writers... this game is already dead... like any other DEI crap. RIP this dev corp is dead.

I wouldn't say that mate. Because the writing in Bloodlines 1 was terrible and any man who wears gloves in the summer, has a few screws loose and he was the first one to get canned. But to each his own.

If Bloodlines 1's writing was that bad and same for its gameplay, why did it become a cult classic and is still beloved by the community and cited as an inspiration in the creation of RPGs ?

[zn0]

"even though those charges were later dropped"

think about what you just said for a moment. making it sound like they should have seen the future, when avellone was cleared of all allegations. were the courts supposed to just dismiss the charges out of hand? was paradox supposed to voluntarily employ someone facing these charges? yeah, it sucks, and i feel for him and wish it hadn't happened to him, but try and be somewhat realistic with your framing of the events and motivations behind them.

anyway, i think it's notable that he leaves off with "like everyone, i'm waiting for vtmb2." no need to say more. what happened to hsl and mitsoda sucks, and i hope i get to play games made/written by him and avellone again some day. but yeah, they really weren't the only guys who made vtmb and i think avellone's right and honorable to emphasize the importance of good voice direction and acting. the graphics and sheer personality of that game are still a big draw to anyone coming to it from a fresh perspective. i REALLY hope that vtmb2 manages to deliver in this regard -- that its soul is just different now, not gone.