Which clan are you? quiz

[budzai]

There is a quiz on the official site ( https://www.worldofdarkness.com ) and since we have nothing to talk about...
So what did you guys get?
I got Salubri which was very surprising. Only ravnos would have been stranger...

[Divertissement]

Nosferatu, i love the clan and i didn't chose the obvious answers for it.

[Tolfdir]

The clan that has the hottest female model with the sexiest feeding animation. In V1, this was Ventrue. Here, it remains to be seen.

[Druid_NPC]

Tzimisce, come on WoD give us a Sabbat game, screw the masquerade.

[Drako110]

引用自 Druid_NPC：

Tzimisce, come on WoD give us a Sabbat game, screw the masquerade.

Oh man, they have problem with giving us Malkavians because "That's too offensive and insensitive towards people with mental issues". Forget that they would ever give us something as dark and edgy as classical Sabbat.

[PocketYoda]

引用自 GrandMajora：

引用自 Drako110：

Oh man, they have problem with giving us Malkavians because "That's too offensive and insensitive towards people with mental issues". Forget that they would ever give us something as dark and edgy as classical Sabbat.

The Sabbat got about 10x edgier in 5th edition. They went from being a cult of Caine worshipers, to a bunch of mindless psychopaths who give absolutely zero ♥♥♥♥♥ about preserving the Masquerade.

To hear 5th edition tell the story, the Sabbat are out here tearing up the streets, going on mass murder sprees; and SOMEHOW, the Masquerade still remains in place from the rest of the general public.

Maybe they are, its sounds fun.

[Drako110]

引用自 GrandMajora：

引用自 Drako110：

Oh man, they have problem with giving us Malkavians because "That's too offensive and insensitive towards people with mental issues". Forget that they would ever give us something as dark and edgy as classical Sabbat.

The Sabbat got about 10x edgier in 5th edition. They went from being a cult of Caine worshipers, to a bunch of mindless psychopaths who give absolutely zero ♥♥♥♥♥ about preserving the Masquerade.

To hear 5th edition tell the story, the Sabbat are out here tearing up the streets, going on mass murder sprees; and SOMEHOW, the Masquerade still remains in place from the rest of the general public.

Not sure to be honest. My interest with V5 ended when they release their infamous "fascists not allowed" page, Rudi the Isl4m gay vampire, and them ruining Tremere turning them from basically vampiric lodge/order of blood mages into some strange group of sexist(Damn this term became a joke), incompetent, weirdos.
Giovanni being oblivious to the second inquisition coming, for some reason, while having strong influence in Italy and human crimina undeground which should be enough to give them some heads up, the whole second inquisition. Them changing Camarila into well... what it is in V5 and few other things.

I will admit, I assumed that Sabbat sucks, after the above, oh yeah, and after the Malkavian controversy.

[PocketYoda]

引用自 GrandMajora：

引用自 Drako110：

Not sure to be honest. My interest with V5 ended when they release their infamous "fascists not allowed" page, Rudi the Isl4m gay vampire, and them ruining Tremere turning them from basically vampiric lodge/order of blood mages into some strange group of sexist(Damn this term became a joke), incompetent, weirdos.
Giovanni being oblivious to the second inquisition coming, for some reason, while having strong influence in Italy and human crimina undeground which should be enough to give them some heads up, the whole second inquisition. Them changing Camarila into well... what it is in V5 and few other things.

I will admit, I assumed that Sabbat sucks, after the above, oh yeah, and after the Malkavian controversy.

Oh, the Tremere were always sexist to begin with. Women were heavily discriminated against in their pyramid. One of the iconic NPC's in the clan was embraced specifically because her sire wanted a scapegoat that he could shovel the blame for his own incompetence onto. Since she was a woman, she seemed like the obvious choice. Only for her to later prove to be far more capable than he ever was.

引用自 DanteYoda：

Maybe they are, its sounds fun.

Yes, I imagine they would be... if 5th edition didn't make the Sabbat exclusively antagonistic this time around. Even their own book, which you would think would include systems for how to play the Sabbat did not explain how to do so. The Sabbat are just a bunch of NPC murder hobos that the story teller can throw at the players.

5th edition is really leaning hard into the whole "we insist you play a humane vampire" angle. To the point where they have either neglected, or flat out refused to provide us with mechanics and rules for how to play an inhumane one.

The Sabbat Book was the make it or break it supplement for me. I refused to buy anything related to V5 until I saw how they plan to handle playing vampires who abandoned their humanity. Turns out, they chose not to handle it at all; so 5th edition will not be sullying my gaming library with its presence.

Agreed, by the way your Avatar was a really cool show, sad they canned it..

[PocketYoda]

引用自 GrandMajora：

引用自 DanteYoda：

Agreed, by the way your Avatar was a really cool show, sad they canned it..

I didn't know it was associated with any show. I just picked it to show my protest against brooding, romantic, emo vampires.

Vampires are badass monsters, and they should take some pride in that!

Its a top ranking Vampire from The Strain

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Strain_(TV_series)

It went three seasons and imo was one of the best Vampire shows ever made.. I even bought the DVDs. Its more scientific than occult based.

[PocketYoda]

引用自 GrandMajora：

引用自 DanteYoda：

Its a top ranking Vampire from The Strain

Oh, I've seen the Strain, but I don't think my avatar pic is from it.

This is the pic I'm using: https://www.deviantart.com/hpkluch/art/Nosferatu-288747338

Ahh my bad your right but so small it looks so similar.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/f/f6/Tumblr_p97g7tgOJ51vfi9wlo1_1280.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180824042704

[Drako110]

引用自 GrandMajora：

Oh, the Tremere were always sexist to begin with. Women struggled to gain any sort of recognition or status within their pyramid. One of the iconic NPC's in the clan was embraced specifically because her sire wanted a scapegoat that he could shovel the blame for his own incompetence onto. Since she was a woman, she seemed like the obvious choice. Only for her to later prove to be far more capable than he ever was.

They should just done male only lodges then, like freemasonry at this point. It's strange to have "muh sexismus" at the point where you are a living corpse, from a hermetic organization that operates on very logic based magical system. Still it wouldn't be the first time where writers screw up some concepts.
Warhammer 40K Matt Ward and the uncorruptable Grey Knights are perfect example of getting a writer who used to p1$$ everyone off by shoving concepts that don't fit in the universe, because he felt like it.
I never noticed that story back in V20 so I would like to ask you to provide source for it.
I found this one circulating on forums only recently, but who knows, maye it's just now when it caught people's attention.
Though even if what you're saying is the case, they made Tremere noticeably worse in V5.

[Drako110]

引用自 GrandMajora：

Bare in mind that the hermetic's understanding of logic was based upon pseudo-science and mysticism. Also, the Tremere had previously been an order of mortal mages, who had the power to alter reality based on their own perception of it. They lost this kind of power when they became vampires, and were forced to start playing by the rules of Consensus, instead of dictating them.

Depents on which hermetic paradigm they based Tremere paradigm. There were few versions of it. If it wa based under A.Crowley one, then you are correct, since that one basically acknowledged destiny to the point of sex and class.
Then again that one applied to individual destiny, not based on starting gender or class.

引用自 GrandMajora：

The way that true magic works in the World of Darkness is that reality itself is mutable. If you believe in something hard enough, no matter how ridiculous or unfounded it is, that belief can become part of reality. The reason why reality seems to be stabilized right now, is due to Consensus. Which is just a fancy way of saying that so many people in the world believe that reality works the way it does now, so that's why it continues to do so.

It was more your belief and it's strength vs the amount of people who believe otherwise and their number. Then you have difficulty on what you are doing versus general belief of possibility of that action.
Example: You are awaken mage with all the training, and you believe you can fly, and you have general population that believe you will just fall to the ground and die horribly.
There is also paradox, but for the sake of this convo I won't touch it.

引用自 GrandMajora：

Unfortunately for all the other splats in the game, only humans have the ability to dictate Consensus. The monsters of the world such as vampires, werewolves, faerie, est. all have to abide by the rules of Consensus. That's why the Tremere were furious with Goratrix after he turned them all into vampires. They wanted immortality, without sacrificing their humanity in the process.

Yup, also they lost their avatars, which was god's particle of a mage, so that was a considerable sacrifice, that not every mage would be willing to take.

引用自 GrandMajora：

They made everything noticeably worse in V5...

Can't aruge with that.

引用自 GrandMajora：

Her name is Carna, and she's since become the leader of House Carna in v5. A sub-group within the clan who is loyal to the Camarilla, but sympathizes with the Anarchs.

Yeah that was the one that could embrace/bound by sex, I really hate that one wiccan like ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, so I won't even touch that.
It's current hedonism shoved into VtM and I hate it with all my heart.