Excellent game

[Laicus]

I'm sure that at least in terms of gameplay, Bloodlines 2 will be more exciting than Bloodlines.
Judging by the information that is already available, this will be one of the best immersive sims, perhaps even close to the masterpiece Dishonored 2.

[PlayaPoncho]

Originally posted by Bankai9212:

For a new project or IP or side game we're all for it. But for an established series/IP that's different especially with how bloodlines 2 has morphed from it was originally.

What was it originally? We never played the final product and judging by how poorly the demo was received, that's a good thing.

[Bankai9212]

The Elder's from the lore are suppose to be these really powerful being capable of adapting to the world around them after all they're centuries old knowing more or less how vampire structure works. In bloodlines you start initially as a mortal who is just forced into this whole new society that's existed for centuries with its own set of rules. Also there's already a conflict with the lore regarding thin bloods.

They're more or less thralls and are weaker then regular vampires which makes sense since they're given blood from a vampire. So not sure what "power" we are referring too here.

[Bankai9212]

Originally posted by PlayaPoncho:

Originally posted by Bankai9212:

For a new project or IP or side game we're all for it. But for an established series/IP that's different especially with how bloodlines 2 has morphed from it was originally.

What was it originally? We never played the final product and judging by how poorly the demo was received, that's a good thing.

Wow really out of the loop, the initial trailer was about 5 years ago which was originally developed Hardsuit Labs where you played as a thin blood via clan of choice. With a story made from the original writer of bloodlines. But out of no where paradox dropped the dev and the writer and switched to chinese room with a whole different direction for the sequel.

[Ezir]

Well, the thin blood story did make sense, since in the lore of the TTRPG you have diablerie as a part of the story, so I guess it was going to take place, otherwise there would be no way for a thin-blood to become a full-fledged vampire or jump generations.

[Bankai9212]

Originally posted by Ezir:

Well, the thin blood story did make sense, since in the lore of the TTRPG you have diablerie as a part of the story, so I guess it was going to take place, otherwise there would be no way for a thin-blood to become a full-fledged vampire or jump generations.

Like the first game its finding a place in the masquerade not about being all powerful granted the plot shifted to finding a coffin of an elder.

[PlayaPoncho]

Originally posted by Bankai9212:

The Elder's from the lore are suppose to be these really powerful being capable of adapting to the world around them after all they're centuries old knowing more or less how vampire structure works. In bloodlines you start initially as a mortal who is just forced into this whole new society that's existed for centuries with its own set of rules. Also there's already a conflict with the lore regarding thin bloods.

They're more or less thralls and are weaker then regular vampires which makes sense since they're given blood from a vampire. So not sure what "power" we are referring too here.

Correct. That's the gameplay loop. You the player decides how your Elder vampire/Phyre adapts through your choices, abilities, and how you tackle situation as Sheriff to maintain the masquerade and uncover the mystery behind the markings on your body, Thin Blood in your head, and your forced awakening.

Originally posted by Bankai9212:

Wow really out of the loop, the initial trailer was about 5 years ago which was originally developed Hardsuit Labs where you played as a thin blood via clan of choice. With a story made from the original writer of bloodlines. But out of no where paradox dropped the dev and the writer and switched to chinese room with a whole different direction for the sequel.

I know all that sir. But a lot of things were constantly changing during development with problems with the project leads, lead writers, staff..etc. So we never got a finish product or a cohesive story. So why dwell on something that never materialized?

[PlayaPoncho]

Originally posted by Bankai9212:

For a new project or IP or side game we're all for it. But for an established series/IP that's different especially with how bloodlines 2 has morphed from it was originally.

We've see well established franchises be reinvented and modernized by new teams within the same studio or an entirely different studio plenty of times. You're acting like this is forbidden but it happens all the time. Dragon Age: The Veilguard and The Suicide Squad are prime examples of this.

Originally posted by Ezir:

Well, the thin blood story did make sense, since in the lore of the TTRPG you have diablerie as a part of the story, so I guess it was going to take place, otherwise there would be no way for a thin-blood to become a full-fledged vampire or jump generations.

But a lot of people (Bloodlines 1 loyalist) were upset about playing as a Thin Blood though and they were the ones slandering the gameplay and demo.

[CapJackRackham]

Originally posted by PlayaPoncho:

Originally posted by Bankai9212:

The Elder's from the lore are suppose to be these really powerful being capable of adapting to the world around them after all they're centuries old knowing more or less how vampire structure works. In bloodlines you start initially as a mortal who is just forced into this whole new society that's existed for centuries with its own set of rules. Also there's already a conflict with the lore regarding thin bloods.

They're more or less thralls and are weaker then regular vampires which makes sense since they're given blood from a vampire. So not sure what "power" we are referring too here.

Correct. That's the gameplay loop. You the player decides how your Elder vampire/Phyre adapts through your choices, abilities, and how you tackle situation as Sheriff to maintain the masquerade and uncover the mystery behind the markings on your body, Thin Blood in your head, and your forced awakening.

The core masquerade rules do not exist, so no we aren't maintaining the masquerade.

Where does it say Fabien is a 'thin blood' in our head? Source?

A fully maxed out 400 year old Elder doesn't make sense in VTM lore either.

Playing an actual thin blood is what the V5 source material is, playing an Elder makes zero sense especially a 400 year old Elder that has a fully maxed out character sheet and access to all abilities.

[CapJackRackham]

Originally posted by PlayaPoncho:

Originally posted by Bankai9212:

For a new project or IP or side game we're all for it. But for an established series/IP that's different especially with how bloodlines 2 has morphed from it was originally.

We've see well established franchises be reinvented and modernized by new teams within the same studio or an entirely different studio plenty of times. You're acting like this is forbidden but it happens all the time. Dragon Age: The Veilguard and The Suicide Squad are prime examples of this.

Since you know nothing of the original, not like you can really lay claim to being able to compare.

And since you already confirmed the name is what sells, and the name is based on the player following, seems a stupid move to go against the very players you want to entice.

Veilguard as "Prime examples"?

Yeah I'd say it's a perfect example of a failed attempt to go against what the franchise is all about.

[PlayaPoncho]

Originally posted by Bankai9212:

The core masquerade rules do not exist, so no we aren't maintaining the masquerade.

They're tell me it does and showing me actual gameplay clips of the consequences for breaking the masquerade.

Where does it say Fabien is a 'thin blood' in our head? Source?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwXf5nMa-UI&t=4s

A fully maxed out 400 year old Elder doesn't make sense in VTM lore either.

Playing an actual thin blood is what the V5 source material is, playing an Elder makes zero sense especially a 400 year old Elder that has a fully maxed out character sheet and access to all abilities.

Perhaps you should click on the link above and it will all make sense to you. Watching a walkthrough was good enough for me. Because there's no way I'm playing a dinosaur of a game that came out when I was 4yrs old.

[PlayaPoncho]

Originally posted by CapJackRackham:

Since you know nothing of the original, not like you can really lay claim to being able to compare.

I know everything about Bloodlines 1 through watching walkthroughs. Don't have to play it to see and comprehend the story, gameplay mechanics, and rpg elements. They're all basic.

And since you already confirmed the name is what sells, and the name is based on the player following, seems a stupid move to go against the very players you want to entice.

Veilguard as "Prime examples"?

Yeah I'd say it's a perfect example of a failed attempt to go against what the franchise is all about.

Failure or a success, as long as I got my point across sir. It happens all the time and like clockwork, fans of that at particular franchise will always show up to hate on change.

[CapJackRackham]

Originally posted by PlayaPoncho:

Originally posted by CapJackRackham:

Since you know nothing of the original, not like you can really lay claim to being able to compare.

I know everything about Bloodlines 1 through watching walkthroughs. Don't have to play it to see and comprehend the story, gameplay mechanics, and rpg elements. They're all basic.

And since you already confirmed the name is what sells, and the name is based on the player following, seems a stupid move to go against the very players you want to entice.

Veilguard as "Prime examples"?

Yeah I'd say it's a perfect example of a failed attempt to go against what the franchise is all about.

Failure or a success, as long as I got my point across sir. It happens all the time and like clockwork, fans of that at particular franchise will always show up to hate on change.

You know nothing about Bloodlines, as has been proven in our discussions "I might be wrong" lol

Laughable to suggest any games beyond a certain age aren't worth playing and shows your ignorance to how well received retro gaming is today.

"Success or failure"... Because apparently games are there to create financial losses and don't want to be well received lol. Such total woeful ignore to how and why games are created. Apparently publishers have endless amounts of money to waste on games lol.

And well, if the game says it's called masquerade then it must be true lmao.

Zero clue about the source material, zero clue about the original game. Zero ability to hold any meaningful discussions beyond trying to help market this game.

Such troll like comments.

[Bankai9212]

Originally posted by PlayaPoncho:

Originally posted by Bankai9212:

The Elder's from the lore are suppose to be these really powerful being capable of adapting to the world around them after all they're centuries old knowing more or less how vampire structure works. In bloodlines you start initially as a mortal who is just forced into this whole new society that's existed for centuries with its own set of rules. Also there's already a conflict with the lore regarding thin bloods.

They're more or less thralls and are weaker then regular vampires which makes sense since they're given blood from a vampire. So not sure what "power" we are referring too here.

Correct. That's the gameplay loop. You the player decides how your Elder vampire/Phyre adapts through your choices, abilities, and how you tackle situation as Sheriff to maintain the masquerade and uncover the mystery behind the markings on your body, Thin Blood in your head, and your forced awakening.

Originally posted by Bankai9212:

Wow really out of the loop, the initial trailer was about 5 years ago which was originally developed Hardsuit Labs where you played as a thin blood via clan of choice. With a story made from the original writer of bloodlines. But out of no where paradox dropped the dev and the writer and switched to chinese room with a whole different direction for the sequel.

I know all that sir. But a lot of things were constantly changing during development with problems with the project leads, lead writers, staff..etc. So we never got a finish product or a cohesive story. So why dwell on something that never materialized?

Would prefer it to be malkavian if they want a linear story would make more sense the mystery will be linear because of how chinese room is. That's what paradox said, the original version was coming along but then without reason were let go same with the writer.

[Bankai9212]

Originally posted by PlayaPoncho:

Originally posted by Bankai9212:

For a new project or IP or side game we're all for it. But for an established series/IP that's different especially with how bloodlines 2 has morphed from it was originally.

We've see well established franchises be reinvented and modernized by new teams within the same studio or an entirely different studio plenty of times. You're acting like this is forbidden but it happens all the time. Dragon Age: The Veilguard and The Suicide Squad are prime examples of this.

Originally posted by Ezir:

Well, the thin blood story did make sense, since in the lore of the TTRPG you have diablerie as a part of the story, so I guess it was going to take place, otherwise there would be no way for a thin-blood to become a full-fledged vampire or jump generations.

But a lot of people (Bloodlines 1 loyalist) were upset about playing as a Thin Blood though and they were the ones slandering the gameplay and demo.

Veilguard was a husk since most of the people that made the original or even mass effect are gone same with suicide squad. Also those game was panned and sold poorly not doing this game any favors in terms of expectations if thats what we are using. Um you have any evidence to support that yeah the gameplay was rough but it was alpha, beta footage and people have issues with this new gameplay also.

[Bankai9212]

Originally posted by PlayaPoncho:

Originally posted by Bankai9212:

The core masquerade rules do not exist, so no we aren't maintaining the masquerade.

They're tell me it does and showing me actual gameplay clips of the consequences for breaking the masquerade.

Where does it say Fabien is a 'thin blood' in our head? Source?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwXf5nMa-UI&t=4s

A fully maxed out 400 year old Elder doesn't make sense in VTM lore either.

Playing an actual thin blood is what the V5 source material is, playing an Elder makes zero sense especially a 400 year old Elder that has a fully maxed out character sheet and access to all abilities.

Perhaps you should click on the link above and it will all make sense to you. Watching a walkthrough was good enough for me. Because there's no way I'm playing a dinosaur of a game that came out when I was 4yrs old.

A random interview of them talking isn't the same as actual gameplay. While its old bloodlines one is still remembered fondly can't say the same with the sequel with everything so far. So your loss on skipping on the first one.