Just saw the new trailer, expectations went through the floor

[ZIGS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja1rtSS4YlI

Yikes, this isn't looking good. And the main character's design is awful, who keeps making these copy/paste female leads without an ounce of personality or likeability? Not being able to create your own character is the final nail in the coffin, we're stuck playing as this vacuum of charisma

[Anton]

Yes, it seems that the current developers do not really understand what they are doing, they just somehow convinced Paradox that they can finish it.

[NEON]

I was hoping that this was it when they would show the game and make me look like a total fool for judging it too early but it looks like it was pretty much what I feared. It feels like that all I can do is accepting that Bloodlines 2 will be nothing but at least a 6/10. It might be passable, it might be "okay-ish. If Earthblood had a vampire version, this would be it.

[Amadeo]

Originally posted by AHTOH:

Yes, it seems that the current developers do not really understand what they are doing, they just somehow convinced Paradox that they can finish it.

If by "finish" you mean "throw everything except for the setting and some characters out the window and then make their own game," then yes.

[Ascawien]

This game has been at the number one spot on my wishlist for YEARS. After the video today, I've removed it. This (imo) is not a worthy successor to one of the most iconic and memorable RPG's of the last two decades.

[CapJackRackham]

Originally posted by Amadeo:

Originally posted by AHTOH:

Yes, it seems that the current developers do not really understand what they are doing, they just somehow convinced Paradox that they can finish it.

If by "finish" you mean "throw everything except for the setting and some characters out the window and then make their own game," then yes.

They've kept the combat mechanics, the heightened senses and they have confirmed social feeding will grant clan specific elements.

[anatema]

by the looks of it there'll be no more character sheet, instead we get a "skill tree" tab, probably like the one in cyberpunk.
There wasn't even an intimidation skill check in the dialogue options.
also they apparently removed the resonance system, we now get "blood pips" as the creative director said.
and being stuck with a premade character, independent of it's gender and sexuality is so out of touch with rpg's as a whole that it bafles me, not even oneshots are fun with premade characters. why would it be in a AAA game?
i was excited for this game but now all my hype has faded.

[Jørn]

What don´t you guys want to play as the MC of the saints row reboot? That game sold so well

[Nikola987]

So now they ban people from discord for even small talk, good job nice way to show you are devs who care about people who suppose to buy your game

[Zephyer]

This sadly just looks bland and a bit cheap compared to what we saw from Hardsuit Labs years ago. There's not really anything else to say. I was cautiously optimistic that we were going to see Chinese Room dive into the project and surprise us, but instead all we got was a half-baked belly flop.

For now I have decided to remove the game from my wishlist. If it turns out amazing (which I still hope it does) despite what we've seen so far then I'm sure I'll see/hear about it and end up playing it anyway. Until then I'm going to try to forget that it was ever even a thing.

[CapJackRackham]

Originally posted by Nikola987:

So now they ban people from discord for even small take good job nice way to show you are devs who care about people who suppose to buy your game

PR for you...Some Devs will take feedback with a view to improving the game. Some will ignore the feedback (Through either not having the funds to make wholesale changes or through utter arrogance that they are right). When you start seeing players on mass being banned/silenced who all bring up the same valid issues, that's your confirmation the Devs want players to get behind the game no matter what.

That being said, it also depends on how constructive the feedback is. If it just becomes harassment and gatekeeping then yeah I can see why players can be banned. And when it comes to something you are emotionally invested in, feedback can quickly turn to harassment.

What I hate, is that it's perfectly acceptable to ban players who negatively gatekeep the community without constructive feedback yet planted players shilling the game and not acknowledging then concerns of the players just to push the Devs PR for them is also gatekeeping and yet it goes on without punishment. And the shills normally are the 1's who gaslight players into being banned because said concerns are being ignored for the sake of PR.

[eastwoodadam]

I could accept some janky combat and sub par graphics if the RPG elements were strong but it looks like they removed a lot to make it more of an action type game.

[Nikola987]

Originally posted by CapJackRackham:

Originally posted by Nikola987:

So now they ban people from discord for even small take good job nice way to show you are devs who care about people who suppose to buy your game

PR for you...Some Devs will take feedback with a view to improving the game. Some will ignore the feedback (Through either not having the funds to make wholesale changes or through utter arrogance that they are right). When you start seeing players on mass being banned/silenced who all bring up the same valid issues, that's your confirmation the Devs want players to get behind the game no matter what.

That being said, it also depends on how constructive the feedback is. If it just becomes harassment and gatekeeping then yeah I can see why players can be banned. And when it comes to something you are emotionally invested in, feedback can quickly turn to harassment.

What I hate, is that it's perfectly acceptable to ban players who negatively gatekeep the community without constructive feedback yet planted players shilling the game and not acknowledging then concerns of the players just to push the Devs PR for them is also gatekeeping and yet it goes on without punishment. And the shills normally are the 1's who gaslight players into being banned because said concerns are being ignored for the sake of PR.

Funny thing they give me warning long ago about "aggressive attitude" after i said is Main character idiot and can't use melee or range weapon, i didn't say anything to any devs or so, and now someone said how dev on video was not happy and he can feel his pain, people start attack him mods to, i said also something totally not ofensive to devs or anyone and they ban me and give me reason "you was warned before about aggressive attitude" what attitude?

[Mira]

Originally posted by eastwoodadam:

I could accept some janky combat and sub par graphics if the RPG elements were strong but it looks like they removed a lot to make it more of an action type game.

Yup no one ever played the first one for its combat, its story and writing and the ability to immerse ourselves in the world and they thought the best way to please the fans of the first was to throw that all out focus on some extremely boring looking combat with a level that literally repeats itself like it cant get more ironic than that.

[Mako Ruu]

We need to go to the official paradox forums and complain there as well. They probably don't come here.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/forums/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2.1039/

[Nikola987]

Originally posted by Mako Ruu:

We need to go to the official paradox forums and complain there as well. They probably don't come here.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/forums/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2.1039/

It won't help people had posts and posts on Cyberpunk 2077 forum for 3rd person good posts, and devs never said a thing mostly moderator who take their side even if CDPR reasons was stupid or wrong.