I hate this game so much

[Kurogane]

I don't know what happened but this game was supposed to be my dream game, after all paradox did to this IP, i can't feel anything different than disgust.

Just rebrand this game, is already a lost, don't launch it as bloodlines 2, since this isn't bloodlines at all.

Fix the older game, port it to Ue5, take your time, i don't care if we have to wait 10 years, but make it right man.

[Hao Zhao]

It's going to be okay. Deescalate. Purge the hysteria from your body. Breathe. Come down from the ledge.

This is Bloodlines 2. It is the official sequel to Bloodlines 1. A few Baby boomer gatekeepers do not get to define what Bloodlines for the rest of the world.

[ButterDawg]

Originally posted by Hao Zhao:

It's going to be okay. Deescalate. Purge the hysteria from your body. Breathe. Come down from the ledge.

This is Bloodlines 2. It is the official sequel to Bloodlines 1. A few Baby boomer gatekeepers do not get to define what Bloodlines for the rest of the world.

Successor, I think

[Anvos]

Well VTMB 2 is very much a game that falls into the time is its enemy, since we have over a decade of time to have people theory craft and dream up what they'd want in their idealized Bloodlines 2.

[Dragon Master]

Originally posted by Anvos:

Well VTMB 2 is very much a game that falls into the time is its enemy, since we have over a decade of time to have people theory craft and dream up what they'd want in their idealized Bloodlines 2.

None of that changes that what has been shown off generally sucks though.

[Can...you...help]

Originally posted by Anvos:

Well VTMB 2 is very much a game that falls into the time is its enemy, since we have over a decade of time to have people theory craft and dream up what they'd want in their idealized Bloodlines 2.

i mean version 1 we were incarnating someone super interesting, a thin blood who will become a full vampire, with interesting clan and faction and a dialogue system wich let us build our own character (like New Vegas and the first bloodline).

version 2 we play as phyre, a generic old vampire, who has a set personality and a poor dialogue system (like fallout 4). don't get me wrong, they could do a mass effect and make us love phyre, but right now what has been shown does not live up to bloodline and look more like redemption in the fact we play a set character (redemption had a better dialogue system), which people does not want in a bloodline game.

it does not help that we came from 5 clan (+ thinblood) to 4 clan. i mean it does not look good even from the little combat we saw.

And yes the other studio ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up, it's their fault too, but their concept was far better.

[Gesuma]

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

Originally posted by Anvos:

Well VTMB 2 is very much a game that falls into the time is its enemy, since we have over a decade of time to have people theory craft and dream up what they'd want in their idealized Bloodlines 2.

None of that changes that what has been shown off generally sucks though.

If all you look for is the bad, then that is all you will ever see.

[Dragon Master]

Originally posted by Gesuma:

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

None of that changes that what has been shown off generally sucks though.

If all you look for is the bad, then that is all you will ever see.

I agree with this. I was giving The Chinese Room the benefit of the doubt when they were first announced as the new developers. Everything The Chinese Room has shown off since September has not been good though.

[BuffyFan2001]

Originally posted by Hao Zhao:

It's going to be okay. Deescalate. Purge the hysteria from your body. Breathe. Come down from the ledge.

This is Bloodlines 2. It is the official sequel to Bloodlines 1. A few Baby boomer gatekeepers do not get to define what Bloodlines for the rest of the world.

What? Bloodlines 1 only really got popular in the late 2000s and early 2010s due to the combination of showing up on Steam and getting fan patches. It's popular with a wide variety of demographics, not baby boomers. The youngest baby boomer would've been 40 when BL1 released.

According to this graph, https://inanage.com/2014/10/08/gamer-demographics-over-time/ , the average age of gamers in 2005 was 30 and the average of years played was 12.

The fans of Bloodlines 1 seem to be largely millennials, not baby boomers.

Also, without "gatekeeping" as you call it (I would call it "maintaining consistent quality"), IPs hemorrhage fans. We've seen this happen at record amounts over the last decade as record numbers of franchises have destroyed themselves by releasing terrible products.

This is the equivalent of toilet paper companies switching to sand paper and then being surprised when nobody buys their product. It's not gatekeeping to state the plain truth that sand paper is not toilet paper and shouldn't be sold as toilet paper.

[LukanGamer]

welcome to modern day and what its been like passed few years for most ips, especially more so in the movie/tv/comic department but working its way more and more into gaming.

[Kurogane]

Originally posted by Raijindo:

Originally posted by Anvos:

Well VTMB 2 is very much a game that falls into the time is its enemy, since we have over a decade of time to have people theory craft and dream up what they'd want in their idealized Bloodlines 2.

i mean version 1 we were incarnating someone super interesting, a thin blood who will become a full vampire, with interesting clan and faction and a dialogue system wich let us build our own character (like New Vegas and the first bloodline).

version 2 we play as phyre, a generic old vampire, who has a set personality and a poor dialogue system (like fallout 4). don't get me wrong, they could do a mass effect and make us love phyre, but right now what has been shown does not live up to bloodline and look more like redemption in the fact we play a set character (redemption had a better dialogue system), which people does not want in a bloodline game.

it does not help that we came from 5 clan (+ thinblood) to 4 clan. i mean it does not look good even from the little combat we saw.

And yes the other studio ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up, it's their fault too, but their concept was far better.

That's the exactly point for me.

I don't see the point in a game like this: Play as an Elder who rose up from her Torpor and speaks modern english in a sec. It doesn't even makes a sense, i mean, Ok, i'm a Elder who just woke up, why would i find trouble? i literally would just want peace, Killing each other is a Neophyte thing.

[Kurogane]

Originally posted by LukanGamer:

welcome to modern day and what its been like passed few years for most ips, especially more so in the movie/tv/comic department but working its way more and more into gaming.

Well, blame Disney and Marvel for this in a way. Doing ♥♥♥♥♥♥ stories and treat them as epic

[KampferZ]

They can't rebrand it because they still have preorders that they need to honor, they just have to make something and release it on the market to be done with it... which is what this is going to be...

[Darkchip]

Supprised by that honestly since i got a email saying they had to refund me since the game had to go through a complete remake that they have had to refund all preorders since the thing we order is no longer the same thing.

I mean i refunded it before hand already but still kinda supprised by the email.

[RicoSuave$$]

Originally posted by KampferZ:

They can't rebrand it because they still have preorders that they need to honor, they just have to make something and release it on the market to be done with it... which is what this is going to be...

One big S%^& Skid.

[Anvos]

Originally posted by Darkchip:

Supprised by that honestly since i got a email saying they had to refund me since the game had to go through a complete remake that they have had to refund all preorders since the thing we order is no longer the same thing.

I mean i refunded it before hand already but still kinda supprised by the email.

It was only the physical collectors edition that got a mandatory refund. The digital preorders have merely been Paradox being willing to honor a refund due to the extended development.

That there are still those of use with the mouse icon is further proof not all copies were mandatory refund.