Thank you for throwing away the idea with thin blood

[Lamiosa]

When I heard that they wanted people to play a weak thin blood, I was like "good bye" few years ago. But now that I saw in the presentation, that you play an elder, it is good news. You will find people of course who say "thin bloods were fitting better to the setting, especially at Gehenna" but having to play a weakling thin blood as an old VTM fan was making me want puke.

[Hao Zhao]

You couldn't be more wrong. Thin blood are super OP in version 5. The most versatile clan without exception

[Lamiosa]

Originally posted by Hao Zhao:

You couldn't be more wrong. Thin blood are super OP in version 5. The most versatile clan without exception

You really want to tell me a thin blood is more powerfull than a gen 6/7 vampire?

[Hao Zhao]

Originally posted by Lamiosa:

Originally posted by Hao Zhao:

You couldn't be more wrong. Thin blood are super OP in version 5. The most versatile clan without exception

You really want to tell me a thin blood is more powerfull than a gen 6/7 vampire?

Thin bloods have a discipline called thin blood alchemy which allows them to create potions that give them any discipline they want. In V5, disciplines only go to level 5 and thin blood alchemy allows you to go to level 4 in any discipline. So, a thin blood can drink a potion for celerity 4 and a potion for protean 4 and then zip into battle like The Flash to tear out the enemy's throat.

They have access to all of these disciplines without having to actually spend the XP to acquire those disciplines. It is very overpowered. As long as you made the potions the night before, a thin blood can respond to any surprise crisis situation. If they need to tank a hit, drink the fortitude potion. If they need to escape, drink the obfuscate potion. If they need to derail a train, drink the potence potion, and so on.

[Coffee Break Hero]

Both ideas could be very good. It's all about execution.
Saying I have a preference is like saying I prefer Electroswing to dark metal.

You're a demi-god vampire that lost his power due to plot device is a bit more generic than you're a niche lore unique semi-vampire that slowly gets more power as they do unspeakable things to other vampires, imo.

But both can work.

Game's probably gonna suck anyway :(

[Lamiosa]

Originally posted by Hao Zhao:

Originally posted by Lamiosa:

You really want to tell me a thin blood is more powerfull than a gen 6/7 vampire?

Thin bloods have a discipline called thin blood alchemy which allows them to create potions that give them any discipline they want. In V5, disciplines only go to level 5 and thin blood alchemy allows you to go to level 4 in any discipline. So, a thin blood can drink a potion for celerity 4 and a potion for protean 4 and then zip into battle like The Flash to tear out the enemy's throat.

They have access to all of these disciplines without having to actually spend the XP to acquire those disciplines. It is very overpowered. As long as you made the potions the night before, a thin blood can respond to any surprise crisis situation. If they need to tank a hit, drink the fortitude potion. If they need to escape, drink the obfuscate potion. If they need to derail a train, drink the potence potion, and so on.

You never really played the P&P, did you? Else you would know that as lower the generation of a vampire as more powerful it is. Thin bloods are gen 14 or higher. So if a gen 6 vampire is not a new born, he would tear apart your thin bloods.

[Coffee Break Hero]

Originally posted by Hao Zhao:

Originally posted by Lamiosa:

You really want to tell me a thin blood is more powerfull than a gen 6/7 vampire?

Thin bloods have a discipline called thin blood alchemy which allows them to create potions that give them any discipline they want. In V5, disciplines only go to level 5 and thin blood alchemy allows you to go to level 4 in any discipline. So, a thin blood can drink a potion for celerity 4 and a potion for protean 4 and then zip into battle like The Flash to tear out the enemy's throat.

They have access to all of these disciplines without having to actually spend the XP to acquire those disciplines. It is very overpowered. As long as you made the potions the night before, a thin blood can respond to any surprise crisis situation. If they need to tank a hit, drink the fortitude potion. If they need to escape, drink the obfuscate potion. If they need to derail a train, drink the potence potion, and so on.

How this would have been applied in game? Could you just buy a plot device if you had one billion dollars? actually, that's pretty realistic. billionaires pretty much have plot devices.

[Hao Zhao]

Originally posted by Lamiosa:

Originally posted by Hao Zhao:

Thin bloods have a discipline called thin blood alchemy which allows them to create potions that give them any discipline they want. In V5, disciplines only go to level 5 and thin blood alchemy allows you to go to level 4 in any discipline. So, a thin blood can drink a potion for celerity 4 and a potion for protean 4 and then zip into battle like The Flash to tear out the enemy's throat.

They have access to all of these disciplines without having to actually spend the XP to acquire those disciplines. It is very overpowered. As long as you made the potions the night before, a thin blood can respond to any surprise crisis situation. If they need to tank a hit, drink the fortitude potion. If they need to escape, drink the obfuscate potion. If they need to derail a train, drink the potence potion, and so on.

You never really played the P&P, did you? Else you would know that as lower the generation of a vampire as more powerful it is. Thin bloods are gen 14 or higher. So if a gen 6 vampire is not a new born, he would tear apart your thin bloods.

No, I've clearly played it because I am explaining table top rules to you. Almost all elder vampires are either in torpor or getting lost in the Middle East (possibly to go sleep there) because of the Beckoning. Elders aren't as impressive as you think they are when the vast, super majority of them can't even keep their eyes open, anymore.

Bloodlines 2 is Version 5. The only rules that matter are Version 5 rules.

[Lamiosa]

Originally posted by Hao Zhao:

Originally posted by Lamiosa:

You never really played the P&P, did you? Else you would know that as lower the generation of a vampire as more powerful it is. Thin bloods are gen 14 or higher. So if a gen 6 vampire is not a new born, he would tear apart your thin bloods.

No, I've clearly played it because I am explaining table top rules to you. Almost all elder vampires are either in torpor or getting lost in the Middle East (possibly to go sleep there) because of the Beckoning. Elders aren't as impressive as you think they are when the vast, super majority of them can't even keep their eyes open, anymore.

Bloodlines 2 is Version 5. The only rules that matter are Version 5 rules.

Still you missed that you will play an elder in the game now, which is not in torpor or fighting Gehenna. If you are now telling me that a thin blood is stronger than an elder, you are really lost.

[Hao Zhao]

Originally posted by Lamiosa:

Originally posted by Hao Zhao:

No, I've clearly played it because I am explaining table top rules to you. Almost all elder vampires are either in torpor or getting lost in the Middle East (possibly to go sleep there) because of the Beckoning. Elders aren't as impressive as you think they are when the vast, super majority of them can't even keep their eyes open, anymore.

Bloodlines 2 is Version 5. The only rules that matter are Version 5 rules.

Still you missed that you will play an elder in the game now, which is not in torpor or fighting Gehenna. If you are now telling me that a thin blood is stronger than an elder, you are really lost.

Yeah, because you lose blood potency in torpor. The longer you sleep, the weaker you get. lol

Do you really think they're going to start us in this game at level 5 in ten different stats? Don't be silly on purpose.

[Lamiosa]

Originally posted by Hao Zhao:

Originally posted by Lamiosa:

Still you missed that you will play an elder in the game now, which is not in torpor or fighting Gehenna. If you are now telling me that a thin blood is stronger than an elder, you are really lost.

Yeah, because you lose blood potency in torpor. The longer you sleep, the weaker you get. lol

Do you really think they're going to start us in this game at level 5 in ten different stats? Don't be silly on purpose.

It doesn't matter if they let start as thin blood or Elder, if the enemies are either too strong or too weak, as stronger the player as stronger the enemies must be, or the numbers to make a challenge. Just playing a strong elder instead of a weakling (yes, I am saying this on purpose) thin blood will already give the player the feeling of playing a real vampire and not something watered down by generations.

[Coffee Break Hero]

Woah you guys if I don't get to play as literally Caine the game is garbage. Why would I want to play as anyone but the disabler brother-killer childer-destroyer God-liar himself.

Anything weaker than Word Eater and this game is DOA

[ButterDawg]

it's not about being OP from the start. that definitely doesn't make the game better, either. devs probably wouldnt make our elder OP from the start anyways--similar to how HSL probably wouldnt have let us abuse potions. HSL had already said it wasnt gonna be a 1:1 (I believe TCR said the same) to the TTRPG's mechanics, anyways. demi-god status from level 1 is lame anyways.

[ButterDawg]

Originally posted by Coffee Break Hero:

Woah you guys if I don't get to play as literally Caine the game is garbage. Why would I want to play as anyone but the disabler brother-killer childer-destroyer God-liar himself.

Anything weaker than Word Eater and this game is DOA

that will be bloodlines 3

[Leon]

I dont like the thin bloods concept. All this "drinking potions" thing sounds too game-ish for a title so focused on immersion and storytelling (i'm talking about WoD as a whole, not just Bloodlines)
But in this game being a thin blood would be the closest i would get from a Gangrel, using Chiropteran and Nebulation. So, for that reason alone, i kinda feel sad they changed it

[Thand]

Kinda of sad actualy that you start as elder instead of a thin blood or a high gen neonate. I woulfd prefer tp startr from the bottom and work my way up