Think we will ever get a VTM MMO?

[eijibayushi]

I know Paradox bought the IP rights from CCP. Has there been any word on them doing something with this? Or maybe one day someone else will make one. I a world over saturated with nothing but Fantasy MMOs, it would be nice to have a modern day vampire/horror type MMO.

[Castyles]

VTM Redemption kinda had one.

[BeefoTheBold]

Maybe? I personally wouldn't be very excited for one tbh. While I do acknowledge that VtM has a lot of social and political layers to it, to me an MMO kinda just would break the immersion factor unless you found a really, really heavy duty RPG server on one.

The best MMOs tend to have very friendly, very social guilds that you can hang out with folks, do things together in groups, etc.

Just from my POV, that wouldn't be all that compatible with imagining myself as a doomed monster of a creature subsisting on the blood of others, never knowing if I could trust even others of my kind, etc. etc.

I could definitely see it working for others though, with different clans, factions, etc. I can think of worse ideas for the IP.

[eijibayushi]

Originally posted by BeefoTheBold:

Maybe? I personally wouldn't be very excited for one tbh. While I do acknowledge that VtM has a lot of social and political layers to it, to me an MMO kinda just would break the immersion factor unless you found a really, really heavy duty RPG server on one.

The best MMOs tend to have very friendly, very social guilds that you can hang out with folks, do things together in groups, etc.

Just from my POV, that wouldn't be all that compatible with imagining myself as a doomed monster of a creature subsisting on the blood of others, never knowing if I could trust even others of my kind, etc. etc.

I could definitely see it working for others though, with different clans, factions, etc. I can think of worse ideas for the IP.

The ideas CCP had for the VTM mmo were interesting. There was some kinda currency with blood? And you could choose Permadeath or no Permadeath and only with Permadeath could you reach the highest levels of power (such as being a prince). A bloodhunt could be called and if you were killed? Permadeath. The council/primogen could over rule you. Those are the ideas I remember reading about.

[eijibayushi]

Originally posted by Castyles:

VTM Redemption kinda had one.

More like a chatroom with avatars played by immature teens who knew NOTHING about VtM at all.

[Fallen]

Originally posted by eijibayushi:

Originally posted by Castyles:

VTM Redemption kinda had one.

More like a chatroom with avatars played by immature teens who knew NOTHING about VtM at all.

this kinda comes off as if they would not roleplay with you so you got upset lol

[eijibayushi]

Originally posted by Fallen:

Originally posted by eijibayushi:

More like a chatroom with avatars played by immature teens who knew NOTHING about VtM at all.

this kinda comes off as if they would not roleplay with you so you got upset lol

Not quite. More like the truth. And I didn't roleplay because no one else was in those rooms.

[Castyles]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

A vampire MMO would be disastrous for the lore.

What do you make of the Battle Royale, then?

[Anvos]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

A vampire MMO would be disastrous for the lore.

While there is no official census of the vampire population, the general estimation among the community is that there is 1 vampire for every 50-100k humans within a given domain. Which puts their global population at a grand total of only 80,000 (low end) to 160,000 (high end)

Awfully hard to keep in line with that in an MMO, when you've got potentially millions of players (vampires) running around the city.

I actually got Jason Carl to discuss this in one of the By Night comments and that is less a hard estimate, but just trying to emphasize kindred are massively outnumbered by kine and the actual number mightn't be anywhere that terrible, and is really more an unknowable number/ratio due to the way kindred are dispersed and only vaguely connected beyond the local level.

Thus an MMO could work, let alone since most MMOs are shard teched, they could keep the number of people per shard, outside intentionally social gathering areas like Elysiums, from feeling like there is a swarm of kindred. Plus if we did have a VtM MMO it would likely be taking place in a major US/European metropolis where finding more kindred than average would be common.

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Things for kindred also don't straight follow an always X kindred to Y kine. For example its a lot harder to hide 5 kindred among 1,000 people than 50 kindred among 10,000 people.

Such as say St. Louis with a population of around 300-1,000k (depends if your counting the surrounding county) would obviously have more than 6-20 kindred. Meanwhile for the roughly 2 million rural population of Missouri there very well may only be about 40 or less kindred spread out outside the major cities.

[Anvos]

Thing is a sect let alone there being 2-3 main ones for centuries couldn't function if there were only 6-20 kindred in even moderately sized cities, especially when you divide that 6-20, 8-13 ways to represent all the clans.

Keep in mind while Sabbat mightn't respect the Masquerade and wouldn't punish you for not holding back your disciplines in a fight, they still wouldn't let you run down main street massacring people, to avoid being swarmed by kine military and swat.

[Anvos]

New Sabbat is ridiculously small in number (where your not likely to have more than 1-2 coterie/packs worth even in major cities) though and functions more like terrorist cells, whose primary purpose is just to destabilize Anarch and Camarilla holdings. Committing mass kindred terrorism is also a tactic to draw SI, so they'll be hitting the Anarchs and Cam while you've moved on or already been ashed, it is the one advantage they've gained by giving up holding specific territory.

V20 timeline other than Ghenna stuff is largely intact, so New Sabbat bears no value on how the Sabbat acted before about 2010. Plus as said in those years since 2010ish the Sabbat has become a miniscule population since they reached put up with Anarach/Cam doctrine or shut up and go fight great grandpa with their fools crusade.

[Anvos]

That is kind of the point of New Sabbat though, destabilize local domains of Anarchs and Cam, draw them unwanted SI heat, then move on, since they don't have a permanent base to hit them back at, so if you don't ash the coterie/pack they've lost nothing. Even though the game was supposed to predate the Sabbat codex, this is very well how our thinblood is to come to be.

[Castyles]

The Sabbat is small, indeed. Two full clans and a few throaway turncoats, remember?

The Nosferatu network, plus other powerful Camarilla clans, when it comes to politics, such as the Toreador and the Ventrue, manage to keep the Masquerade in check just fine i.e. they control the media and the masses.

Vampires are fiction. They don't exist. Get real.

[Castyles]

They're small since the "final" nights i.e. the here and now.

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

What's that have to do with this discussion?

Lol. It's how the Camarilla manages to survive. Should have put that in quotation marks.

[Anvos]

Well that is how Anarch, Sabbat, and Independents get away with so much ♥♥♥♥, that the adult in the room puts out the fire, through centuries of ingraining themselves in kine institutions, before it threatens everybody. It worked too until Shreknet made so big an oppsie you can't cover it up in time, especially since Nos rolled a critical failure and lost the most info on that clan that could have made the kine forget enmasse with their blood sorcery.

[Anvos]

Its a very kindred thing, they didn't expect processing power of computers would that rapidly manage to brute force find what kindred required auspex to use. Even for humans the pace of tech changing over the last century has been bewildering. This last century is very much the exception to the trends of human and kindred history.

Arrogance isn't exclusively a ventrue trait.