Clan Malkavian = The most powerful and dangerous Clan ever?

[Licht Knight of the Undead]

Also, where's Malkav?

[IL'dar]

Probably not.
He went out for cigarettes.

[Castyles]

That's subjective.

You could ask the same question with every clan on it instead of Malkavian.

[Selvokaz]

Originally posted by Castyles:

That's subjective.

You could ask the same question with every clan on it instead of Malkavian.

Exactly, everyone knows it's Tremere that rule the night. XD

[marv]

Powerful? Well that comes down to age, luck and what tricks they have. And ultimately, vampires forget that they are not predators, humans are. Vamps are parasites. But dangerous? In a sense, yes. Malkavian can stumble upon secrets you never want revealed and could destroy you with them.

[Garg]

Malkavians were never considered the strongest. Well... they are not even strong. Somewhere in the middle I would say.

[Darkening Demise]

Just use a stop sign and you can defeat the entire clan.

[Flannaz]

The most dangerous clan doesn;t really exist, blood potency is what determines how strong you are, how many generations from cain essentially. As for the most powerful strength wise that would likely be Gangrel or Brujah not Malkavian. If we are talking magic power then Tremere 100%, political power probably split between celebrity style power (Toreador) and mafia style power (ventrue). blackmailing power and the ability to trade with secrets is left to the Nosferatu and then we have the Malkavian who can see things that may or may not have happened or will come to pass. (there are a load more but these are the core ones from the core book)

[Lucius Kern]

I loved playing Malk in Bloodlines 1, being cray cray and seeing your responses having hints to culprits and secrets was hillarious. But in the New world of darkness they aint that cray cray, or at least i cant recognize them in the rule books in the new WoD and in old Requiem.

However where is their obsfucate and Celerity? I am going to end up playing Toreador or Ventru if they do not get proper invisibility to compansate for their cray crayness.

[Elvi]

Malkaw... became the internet.

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[marv]

Malkavaians can be dangerous in a social sense in that they can instantly know about what you're doing and what you've done no matter how many people you turned to ash to cover it up or how well hidden that secret is. If that information is given coherently to your rivals or the prince and its bad enough to call a blood hunt on you, you're screwed. This why Dr. Alistair Grout was killed. The malks that can not only see into the past or future, but credibly comprehend and predict it are the most dangerous seers in Vampire Society. Of course, that's a big if on if they can handle a mind that gets those visions and then can comprehend their visions in time to use it.

But yes, age, disciplines and blood potency are what make a vampire powerful. Clans all have their weakness and strengths, and Dementate is about as powerful as Dominate if you know how to use it. 9 Dots of Dementation has Blessings of Chaos, which while making you even more insane, makes you immune to Dominate, Dementation, Presence and Chimeristry. A 4th gen Malkavian could then moon walk into a crowded part of a city, hold their hands up in the air and then use Lunatic Eruption to invoke a mad frenzy in ALL SENTIENT CREATURES within a several mile radius. Humans, Vampires, Werewolves, Mages, Ghouls and maybe even Wraiths. Anything within that zone of madness just starts getting ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ crazy violent at anything they come into contact with.

[BullShit]

Originally posted by Selvokaz:

Originally posted by Castyles:

That's subjective.

You could ask the same question with every clan on it instead of Malkavian.

Exactly, everyone knows it's Tremere that rule the night. XD

Well, too bad Vienna happened....

[GamusLepus]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by Samantha Raven:

The tremere had to bargain with the Ventrue camerila to even get entry to seatle its litterly says all this in there home page for the game. =P

You're talking about Seattle, when I think the question was directed to which clan as a whole is most dangerous.

The Tremere have employed magic so powerful, that it afflicted entire clans and bloodlines. Such as the time where they made vampire blood toxic to Assamites, thus making it almost impossible for them to perform their ritualistic diablerie that was a major part of their religious traditions.

They also conducted a ritual that obliterated every Tremere Antitribu on the planet overnight... Until that was later retconned so that some managed to survive.

And in order to garner themselves a place at the Camarilla's table, they waged a genocidal smear campaign against clan Salubri and usurped their Antideluvian's power for their own.

When the Tremere have beef with somebody, they don't just target the individual, they target the entire family tree!

Pre V5 I would agree, but now we got V5, Vienna happened and the power structure is broken they are far from as powerful as they used to be.
To the point that the pyramid has splintered and different groups of tremere exist with different goals and ways.

Of course, blood magic is still magic, and being still partly mages they are super dangerous.

But without the combined strength they have lost a lot of power. To the point that those that they fought and cursed now are taking their place.

[GamusLepus]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by Xochipilli:

But without the combined strength they have lost a lot of power. To the point that those that they fought and cursed now are taking their place.

They're taking their place because they are freely offering to trade their knowledge of blood sorcery with others. While those of clan Tremere guarded the knowledge with their lives.

Don't forget that the Assamites are notorious for diablerie, one of the absolute worst crimes you can commit within the Camarilla, aside from intentionally breaking the Masquerade. Now it's true that not all Assamites belong to the Warrior Caste, and there are many who don't partake of the souls of their fellow vampires. However, the Vizziers and Sorcerers were very rarely encountered by those outside the clan. Most of the world was only familiar with the Warrior Caste, so it seems incredibly strange that the Camarilla would open its doors to them without some pretty major supervision to keep them under control.

It are strange times indeed. With most of the remaining elders fighting in the east, and juniors left in command everything has changed.
Clans are working together that used to have utter distrust and fear of the others. Clans are thrown out of the tower, all the puppets are dancing. And the tune has changed but the main players are still the same.

[marv]

The Camarilla lacks the strength to turn them down and many of the Banu Haqium that showed up were veterans of many assassination missions. Dur-An-Kai is difficult to master and takes time to learn even a fraction of a fraction of, having access to doesn't mean every vampire in the west understands what they're doing.

As for the Tremere and their supposed secrecy, their former clanmates are now openly betraying them and sometimes every house screwing each other over for anyone else's secrets/selling them for a boon. Whatever trinkets or power than can accrue, they can just as easily lose because they're an easier target/pissed off enough clans in the Camarilla/Anarchs/Sabbat to where no one would miss them. And with how many people got their fingers on Thaumaturgy outside of the Tremere, it wasn't the greatest guarded secret to begin with.

[D-503]

The Malks are by far the most dangerous clan.

The wildcard always wins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecRytTfWL8Q