So white wolf got closed down?

[PocketYoda]

I had no idea is it still in effect or can you not buy Vampire pnp gaming anymore?

[Cutlass Jack]

White Wolf got bought by Paradox.

[PocketYoda]

Originally posted by Cutlass Jack:

White Wolf got bought by Paradox.

Yes but they apparently dissolved the people making the books because of some incident.

[GalloglassCA]

Originally posted by DanteYoda:

I had no idea is it still in effect or can you not buy Vampire pnp gaming anymore?

White Wolf Game Studios ended in the early 2000s, as part of the massive rpg industry collapse that happened in that time period.

A new White Wolf subsidy was formed by Paradox Interactive after Paradox purchased the WoD and other IPs from CCP. After mis-steps by the heads of that subsidy, the new White Wolf was absorbed back into Paradox instead of acting as an independent entity.

[PocketYoda]

Originally posted by TheloneB:

Originally posted by DanteYoda:

I had no idea is it still in effect or can you not buy Vampire pnp gaming anymore?

White Wolf Game Studios ended in the early 2000s, as part of the massive rpg industry collapse that happened in that time period.

A new White Wolf subsidy was formed by Paradox Interactive after Paradox purchased the WoD and other IPs from CCP. After mis-steps by the heads of that subsidy, the new White Wolf was absorbed back into Paradox instead of acting as an independent entity.

Is that why it changed so much or is it due to other things..

https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/b42zdq/vampire_the_masquerade_bloodlines_2_its/ej4znta/

Is this accurate?

[sots]

Originally posted by DanteYoda:

Originally posted by Cutlass Jack:

White Wolf got bought by Paradox.

Yes but they apparently dissolved the people making the books because of some incident.

Don't take this for the hard truth, because it's just speculation. However, V5 faced a lot of criticism with the approach that it took then in a supplement to the game they said that the killings and torture of homosexuals in Chechnya was because of a vampire and Paradox the owner of the intellectual property decided to shut down the division that worked with the PnP because of the backlash they faced cause of that (both from players and from Chechnyan officials). I think Modiphus are handling the PnP now though after some restructuring of the leadership.

Edit: Oh yeah, seems like you found a link about it.

[Cutlass Jack]

The story from the Wolf's mouth, so to speak:

https://www.white-wolf.com/newsblog/a-message-from-white-wolf

[GalloglassCA]

Originally posted by DanteYoda:

Originally posted by TheloneB:

White Wolf Game Studios ended in the early 2000s, as part of the massive rpg industry collapse that happened in that time period.

A new White Wolf subsidy was formed by Paradox Interactive after Paradox purchased the WoD and other IPs from CCP. After mis-steps by the heads of that subsidy, the new White Wolf was absorbed back into Paradox instead of acting as an independent entity.

Is that why it changed so much or is it due to other things..

https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/b42zdq/vampire_the_masquerade_bloodlines_2_its/ej4znta/

Is this accurate?

"Is that why it changed so much." is too vague, you're going to need to be more specific.

As far why the subsidy was ended it was related to that snafu, they put out a public statement, you can read it, and no I don't have a link.

[PocketYoda]

Originally posted by al-Amira:

Originally posted by DanteYoda:

Yes but they apparently dissolved the people making the books because of some incident.

Don't take this for the hard truth, because it's just speculation. However, V5 faced a lot of criticism with the approach that it took then in a supplement to the game they said that the killings and torture of homosexuals in Chechnya was because of a vampire and Paradox the owner of the intellectual property decided to shut down the division that worked with the PnP because of the backlash they faced cause of that (both from players and from Chechnyan officials). I think Modiphus are handling the PnP now though after some restructuring of the leadership.

So it is still being printed and the game can still be bought, i was considering purchasing the core rules for read etc and maybe play sometime.

[GalloglassCA]

Originally posted by al-Amira:

Originally posted by DanteYoda:

Yes but they apparently dissolved the people making the books because of some incident.

Don't take this for the hard truth, because it's just speculation. However, V5 faced a lot of criticism with the approach that it took then in a supplement to the game they said that the killings and torture of homosexuals in Chechnya was because of a vampire and Paradox the owner of the intellectual property decided to shut down the division that worked with the PnP because of the backlash they faced cause of that (both from players and from Chechnyan officials). I think Modiphus are handling the PnP now though after some restructuring of the leadership.

Yes, Modiph and Onyx Path Publishing are making the supplements. Though it should be noted that the plan was always to have certain core books be made in house and have other companies write the supplements. So that aspect of things is "working as intended."

[PocketYoda]

Originally posted by Cutlass Jack:

The story from the Wolf's mouth, so to speak:

https://www.white-wolf.com/newsblog/a-message-from-white-wolf

Thank you interesting and sad, and a warning to not mimick real world politics imo.. as it can bite you on the ...

[Hao Zhao]

White Wolf has been a wholly owned subsidiary of Paradox Interactive since 2015. Whether or not a wholly owned subsidiary remains legally independent or gets absorbed into a division of its parent company is usually a decision based around gaming local tax laws. White Wolf coming or going isn't going to have any kind of impact on the overall strategy for how the WoD licences are managed.

[PocketYoda]

Originally posted by Hao Zhao:

White Wolf has been a wholly owned subsidiary of Paradox Interactive since 2015. Whether or not a wholly owned subsidiary remains legally independent or gets absorbed into a division of its parent company is usually a decision based around gaming local tax laws. White Wolf coming or going isn't going to have any kind of impact on the overall strategy for how the WoD licences are managed.

Fair enough but on a high note i just purchased V5 core rules from EBay

[PocketYoda]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

The PNP books are now Print on Demand.

That means they aren't being sold in stores anymore, unless you specifically order them in stock.

DriveThruRPG is the best place I know of to buy them online.

As an Australian i can really only get American things from Ebay, the postage costs from the USA cost more than the items i'm buying there.