Thin-blood PC?

[Waifu Collector]

Saw some article where they say the devs claimed that your character will be a thin-blood.

If this is true then either the devs have no clue about the lore and what thin-bloods are or your character will actually be a weak scrub with very diminished or no powers who is basically a human that's slightly harder to kill. ^^

I sincerely hope it's the former and the devs simply have no clue about the lore, tho that also carries a ton of problems, as the whole point of a vampire game is to be an inhuman, powerful VAMPIRE.

Saw some power use in the trailer and it was also talked about in some articles so hopefully they just mixed up thin-blood with Caitiff or something since a Caitiff can still become powerful, get back into his clan and rejoin vampire society while there is no lore about a thin-blood becoming a full vampire, since the condition comes from being a 14th or 15th generation vampire with severely diluted blood.

[Natural Love]

Yeah they said you can join a clan but nothing about becoming a fully fledged vampire.I think it’s possible we stay a thin blood the whole game

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Chris:

Where did they say that?

They've said on interviews that they want you to meet with all the clans first and learn how they work, before you decide on which one to join.

[Orion Invictus]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Chris:

Where did they say that?

They've said on interviews that they want you to meet with all the clans first and learn how they work, before you decide on which one to join.

That's the best way to go about it, IMO. I don't want to have to read a small book just to understand which clan has what.

[Apeironic_Entelechy]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Chris:

Yeah they said you can join a clan but nothing about becoming a fully fledged vampire.I think it’s possible we stay a thin blood the whole game

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από GrandMajora:

They've said on interviews that they want you to meet with all the clans first and learn how they work, before you decide on which one to join.

It literally said you become a full blood, and clans are not just political organizations. The implication of "joining a clan" is very much that you become a proper Vampire.

Staying a Thin Blood may or may not be an option, but it's undeniable that we'll be able to stop being one.

[Natural Love]

I hope so but staying a thin blood is also possible

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Chris:

Yeah they said you can join a clan but nothing about becoming a fully fledged vampire.I think it’s possible we stay a thin blood the whole game

Nope, Thin Bloods are bottom feeding weaklings. Even with Alchemy, they can only gain powers equivalent to 2nd rank disciplines. They pale in comparison to a true and proper vampire. And since this game's store page advertises becoming the "ultimate" vampire, staying as one seems like an extremely unlikely scenario.

[Mike]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Aldaris:

Like, what would you be expecting it to be based on?

Could have been based on 20th anniversary cleaned edition you know. That wouldn't be shocking. Especially with the addition of Beckett's Diary. Anyway, it could have, you simply asked for another way it could have been.

20th was basically v4 and the last one made by Onyx. v5 is made by Paradox Interactive.

v5 has good things in the tabletop game. "Predator Types", omfg what a great addition .. bravo PI. I like how you start the game in the way YOU want to start,.. nearly dead and starving for blood.. okay.. in an apartment after a party with rich celebrities.. done. The ST then has to move on from YOUR point of view. I love that. It makes the players part of the storytelling from the get-go, even if your ST is pretty selfish about the fiction or lore output.

But, v5 has one REALLY .. um... awkward thing about it that I and many other full time STs kinda hate and if it's some how incorporated into the game... yeah.. I just dunno.

[Natural Love]

Yeah i know i played the first one.Paradox now acquired the license of wod so they can change things for the thin bloods if they want....but only time will tell

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Chris:

I hope so but staying a thin blood is also possible

Short of the possibility to become human again (which Thin Bloods can actually do in 5th edition), I don't see why we would actually want to stay as one. They are extremely weak compared to proper vampires, and have canonically been treated like garbage by kindred society. You'd have to be a Grade A masochist to willingly stay as one!

[Mike]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Wolf Michael:

20th was basically v4 and the last one made by Onyx. v5 is made by Paradox Interactive.

v5 has good things in the tabletop game. "Predator Types", omfg what a great addition .. bravo PI. I like how you start the game in the way YOU want to start,.. nearly dead and starving for blood.. okay.. in an apartment after a party with rich celebrities.. done. The ST then has to move on from YOUR point of view. I love that. It makes the players part of the storytelling from the get-go, even if your ST is pretty selfish about the fiction or lore output.

I'm not sure which games you've played, but that was ALWAYS something that you could do in previous editions. It's called a prequel / origin session, and it's usually a 1 on 1 session between you and the Story Teller so that you can introduce each other to the character and get a feel for how they'll be played going further in the chronicle.

That is NOT "Predator Types". PTTs are how you feed and the mechanics behind the chance of your feeding ability (PP - Predator Pool)

[PocketYoda]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Hao Zhao:

This game is based on the V5 corebook,

Welp, that's the final straw for me. Kinda knew they'd F this up. Every time I hear something "new" about the game, it's bad. Just like the fact that it's based off V5.

V5 is just a reboot of 1st and somewhat 2nd edition.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Axeface:

A question for people that know the lore.

Fresh vampires with no guidance regularly dont know what they are, or the powers their blood holds, correct? Is it possible that in Bloodlines 2 the player character gets 'tricked' into thinking he is a thin-blood, and then later in the game comes to learn that they are actually not? Perhaps the clan choice isnt a 'choice' at all, and rather a realisation? For other vampires to realise this they would actively have to sense your aura correct? If they were already told you are thin-blooded by a reputable source, perhaps they wouldnt even try?

You can't be tricked you'd know early on if you were a thin blood or a real clan vampire..

[Wolfways]

I don't really know anything about thin-bloods but does this sound right?

You start off as the weak bottom-feeder of vampire society, and then (at some point) you join a clan where you will stay the weak bottom-feeder probably forever.

If so, is any and all combat in the game going to only involve humans or other thin-bloods? I mean, any lower generation vampire is going to wipe the floor with you, and don't even think about getting downwind of any garou.

[Dakarn]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Drako110:

This thread didn't fill me with optimism.
To sum it up, they either mixed the terms, or simply mixed 2 separate states of vampires because of reasons.
That or PC will stay as thin-blood as if that would be good idea.
Then later on he/she/it(don't even get me started on this) will be able to chose a clan, oh and some clans will be added later on...
Game will follow V5, and no one knows if game will be progressive or not.
No wonder there is outrage about this.
Welp, it seems the curse of WoD will continue.

And I read this thread, and wondered why nobody seems to remember Diablerie. I mean, sure, it's taboo, looked down on, and practically illegal in the Camarilla; however, that doesn't mean your character can't have the choice of diablerie resulting in a lower generation (thus enabling level 5 disciplines, and becoming a full vampire).

[Wolfways]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Wolfways:

I don't really know anything about thin-bloods but does this sound right?

You start off as the weak bottom-feeder of vampire society, and then (at some point) you join a clan where you will stay the weak bottom-feeder probably forever.

If so, is any and all combat in the game going to only involve humans or other thin-bloods? I mean, any lower generation vampire is going to wipe the floor with you, and don't even think about getting downwind of any garou.

No, that's not how it goes. A vampire's potential power level is measured by how many generations they are removed from Caine. As the first vampire, Caine is 1st generation, and anybody embraced by him is 2nd. The Antedeluvians are 3rd generation, and those sired by them are 4th, and so on.

Once you hit 14th generation, the vampiric features become so diminished that they don't manifest properly. You become a Thin Blood, and are usually treated horribly as a result.

Vampires can reduce their generation by diablerizing a vampire of a lower generation than their own. For example, if you were 10th generation and diablerized a 9th gen, you would reduce yourself to 9th gen as well.

Diablerizing somebody who is many generations lower than you has the chance of reducing your own generation by several stages, but you have to be very lucky to actually meet the same level as them. For example, a 10th gen who diablerizes a 6th gen is not guaranteed to reduce themselves to 6th gen. But it is a possibility, regardless.

Going by the assumption that "joining a clan" in this game means diablerizing a member of that clan, we can surmize that we reduce our generation to at least 13. Turning us into a proper vampire, and thereby earning more respect from the rest of kindred society.

Hmm, I didn't know you could skip generations through diablerie, or more likely I forgot. I haven't read my books in a long time.
I'd assume you're still going to be really high gen though. I honestly don't see the Camarilla giving a low gen target of a blood hunt to a thin-blood as a "prize". So many kindred higher up the ranks would want it.

Thanks for the info anyway :)

[Panam]

Doesn't a diablerist permanently get the diablerist auspex aura?

[Apeironic_Entelechy]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Habbo Hotel:

Doesn't a diablerist permanently get the diablerist auspex aura?

IIRC It's temporary.

[Darth Zweig]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Fourthspartan56:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Habbo Hotel:

Doesn't a diablerist permanently get the diablerist auspex aura?

IIRC It's temporary.

1 year for every generation below you the victim vampire was, with an absolute minimum of 1 year I believe. The one year minimum also applies if you diablerize a higher generation vampire.

[Panam]

So for game purposes, it's pretty much permanent.
So I'm going to have to prepare a fitting response to every NPC vampire who confronts my vampire about her aura.

This whole thin blood thing is opening a can of worms. They should have just started the PCs out as full vampires.