transform

[m.and]

In my opinion transform is a loosers mechanic to use in the game. It totally spoils up the game. You don't have a fair chance against it.

[Terratrox]

Aegis.

Also, who other than me actually uses transform effects in this game?

[Chronotrigger]

remove the N... jokes aside that is a very fair mechanic compared to some others and even some single cards lol

[m.and]

in my opinion. It spoils the game... because.
You could be playing the best deck in the game, and then someone use a transfom card, and then you are toast, because of the transform mechanic.

[Terratrox]

Originally posted by m.and:

in my opinion. It spoils the game... because.
You could be playing the best deck in the game, and then someone use a transfom card, and then you are toast, because of the transform mechanic.

You play a card. They play a card. You keep your card. They lose their card.

Seems underpowered, if anything.
Why transform a thing when you can just destroy it instead.

[Kilsubub]

Originally posted by Terratrox:

You play a card. They play a card. You keep your card. They lose their card.

Seems underpowered, if anything.
Why transform a thing when you can just destroy it instead.

There are cards that have ability's that need to be transformed before killing.

[Terratrox]

Originally posted by Kilsubub:

Originally posted by Terratrox:

You play a card. They play a card. You keep your card. They lose their card.

Seems underpowered, if anything.
Why transform a thing when you can just destroy it instead.

There are cards that have ability's that need to be transformed before killing.

Or silenced. Which is 1: cheaper than transform and 2: comes with its own body or other form of value most of the time.

[m.and]

transform is just a looser mechanic in my world, I really hate it. All other mechanics I can live with

[Terratrox]

Originally posted by m.and:

transform is just a looser mechanic in my world, I really hate it. All other mechanics I can live with

Why isn't it as tight? I'd imagine it's actually one of the tightest designed mechanics given how restrained it is. It's only playable as a main mechanic in Time Primal, there are very, VERY few units and relics that interact with it, and it almost ALWAYS goes card negative, not to mention being able to UPGRADE enemy units instead of downgrading them.

[m.and]

Just don't like it.
Maybe it's because I'm aggro minded, I dont know.

[Terratrox]

Originally posted by m.and:

Just don't like it.
Maybe it's because I'm aggro minded, I dont know.

Nah that isn't it, because transformation effects don't work against aggro. Anything you transform is either going to gain stats, or lose very few stats. Either way you spend a card to slightly inconvenience or massively accelerate the Aggro gameplan. Even mass transformation effects are just higher cost versions of "destroy all of X creature" that still leaves bodies for the aggro player to buff.

Transformation effects are effective against Tempo or combo plays where a specific creature needs to stay onfield over multiple turns to get value. But again, they're just "Kill X thing" but worse. Even just a Silence is often better than a Transform.

[Kilsubub]

Originally posted by Terratrox:

Originally posted by Kilsubub:

There are cards that have ability's that need to be transformed before killing.

Or silenced. Which is 1: cheaper than transform and 2: comes with its own body or other form of value most of the time.

Cards that cant be silenced can be transformed. I can transform all the cards in the deck or its a malfunction card. it can transform or use another ability. It has its function or people would not be up in arms over it.

I use them in a creature less deck with kill everything cards and big swords.

[Terratrox]

Originally posted by Kilsubub:

Originally posted by Terratrox:

Or silenced. Which is 1: cheaper than transform and 2: comes with its own body or other form of value most of the time.

Cards that cant be silenced can be transformed. I can transform all the cards in the deck or its a malfunction card. it can transform or use another ability. It has its function or people would not be up in arms over it.

I use them in a creature less deck with kill everything cards and big swords.

There are... what, 2 cards in the game that can't be silenced, but can be transformed? And neither of those cards are immune to someone just playing Harsh Rule or Annihilate against them.

Turn To Seed DOES hit creatures in the deck. But it's still a MUCH more expensive version of several Shadow cards that do the same thing, just dumping them into the void.

Transform as a mechanic is INCREDIBLY weak compared to others. In literally every situation other than graveyard recursion decks, if the card said "kill the thing" instead, it'd be a stronger card.

You know what that creatureless deck can survive not running? The transform cards. You know what it CAN'T survive not running? The kill everything cards.

People complain about everything lol. The fact that someone is complaining about something means nothing. The transform cards aren't what make that deck strong. It's the fact that they run like 12 boardwipes and the game's control options are much stronger than the aggressive options.