Winning in ranked

[m.and]

How can it be that it is difficult to win in ranked if you lose more than 3-4 matches in a row ?? I have lots of removal spells in the black and white deck I play, but it seems like the AI will not let me pull them. I know this is not the case, but that's how it seem to works.

[ulzgoroth]

Well it's possible your deck is far enough below par that losing 3/4s of games isn't surprising? Couldn't possibly say whether that's true of course. Curious how many removal cards is 'a lot', though.

I often lose at least 2 or 3 matches in a row while playing in bronze ranks with decks that can progress to at least silver ranks. I don't think that's statistically unexpected. I sometimes win two in a row too, though that may be less noticeable (especially since I often stop after the first daily win).

If you're relatively new to the game I'd recommend trying Expedition rather than Throne ranked, if you aren't already. Since Throne draws on a much deeper selection of cards. Many of which are either not important or cheap to forge, but some of which are neither...


...Just a note, there's no AI involved in Ranked play.

[sithlordofsnark]

Most of my decks are low tier and I don't lose that often. Make a better deck.

[m.and]

Have played throne a lot. But my experience on throne is just, that if I lose 3-4 times in a row, then I have some trouble winning the next rounds. Don't know why.

[m.and]

Even if I had access to every card from eternal and had the chance to make every deck I could wish for. I would still have the same problem. So I don't buy the phrase "make a better deck". You can have the best deck in the world, but if you don't draw what you need, then it doesn't matter at all.

[[N9]LordPerth]

Originally posted by m.and:

Even if I had access to every card from eternal and had the chance to make every deck I could wish for. I would still have the same problem. So I don't buy the phrase "make a better deck". You can have the best deck in the world, but if you don't draw what you need, then it doesn't matter at all.

Yes, variance exists. Even the "best" deck can have bad draws and the "worst" decks can have good draws. Building your deck better isnt about always having the perfect draw and winning every game, if that was possible card games would be boring. Instead it is about having the highest chance of drawing good cards and about having the highest possible chance to do stuff that beats the other good decks in the format.
So yes, building a better deck wont just win you every game, but it makes the chance of winning games higher.

[m.and]

If there is nothing wrong with this game. How come I keep loosing games, when I play ranked?? If you keep loosing games,like I do, then there is no way that you can climb out of that hole. That is my experience. I know you all say, that I should make better decks and, the game works like it should.Have played magic the gathering for years in real life, so I know how to make a decks. There's no fun playing ranked, if you don't have a chance of winning and moving up the ranked ladder. And no I have no intension of trying expedition.... not yet.

[fluxtorrent]

Obviously the people beating you aren't having that problem. So if its the game's fault why has it singled YOU out?

[ulzgoroth]

Originally posted by m.and:

If there is nothing wrong with this game. How come I keep loosing games, when I play ranked?? If you keep loosing games,like I do, then there is no way that you can climb out of that hole. That is my experience. I know you all say, that I should make better decks and, the game works like it should.Have played magic the gathering for years in real life, so I know how to make a decks. There's no fun playing ranked, if you don't have a chance of winning and moving up the ranked ladder.

Moving up the ranking ladder is mostly a penalty, not a benefit, if you're finding winning harder than you want it to be. There's no 'hole' that winning frequently will help you out of.

Originally posted by m.and:

And no I have no intension of trying expedition.... not yet.

You do you, but it'd almost certainly make it easier to get a low-level competitive deck.

[SinusMK]

The game has a lot of problems right now.
When I started with Eternal in beta, I was hoping there would be no such thing as one turn combos ... but as seen yesterday at the Stormbreak Open, I had false hopes.
I don't understand the meta either.
Last month I played a rally queen deck to Masters, but this month I haven't had any success.

On Saturday I played a cheap discard aggro deck from Diamond 3 to Masters within 5 hours.
Krull is in the market, but I didn't even need the card.

Although I've always hated them, I am amazed that there are no more constant aggro decks. It can't be possible that an OTK deck wins a tournament.
Where are the control decks and I don't mean the ones where only relics are played. Where are the sword decks?
The game was just much better than there were clearly recognizable and distinguishable archetypes.

This is the list I played:
FORMAT:Throne
4 Darkwater Vines (Set10 #316)
4 Gustrider (Set6 #141)
1 Icy Gaze (Set7 #92)
4 Spitefeeder (Set4 #197)
2 Devour (Set1 #261)
4 Grenahen (Set1107 #20)
4 Blight Pass Smuggler (Set6 #235)
4 Lightning Sprite (Set6 #160)
4 Maveloft Huntress (Set9 #119)
4 Shadowlands Guide (Set1 #280)
4 Dark Purveyor (Set1105 #14)
3 Jotun Hurler (Set1 #227)
4 Felrauk the Outcast (Set7 #205)
4 Shoaldredger (Set10 #359)
1 Shadow Sigil (Set1 #249)
4 Crest of Cunning (Set3 #267)
4 Feln Banner (Set1 #417)
4 Feln Insignia (Set6 #234)
4 Feln Painting (Set10 #77)
4 Seat of Cunning (Set0 #62)
4 Chairman's Contract (Set4 #271)
---------------MARKET---------------
1 Permafrost (Set1 #193)
1 Swift Refusal (Set6 #143)
1 Haunting Scream (Set1 #374)
1 Champion of Cunning (Set1 #371)
1 Krull, Xumuc Occultist (Set10 #112)

[m.and]

Also getting tired of loosing because of what I call " poor man wins cards". By that phrase I mean cards that are made for the game, but which are basically redundant in decks, but which can be used if you have nothing else you can use.

[ulzgoroth]

Originally posted by m.and:

Also getting tired of loosing because of what I call " poor man wins cards". By that phrase I mean cards that are made for the game, but which are basically redundant in decks, but which can be used if you have nothing else you can use.

Do you mean losing because your deck uses cards that have superior alternatives? Surely the solution to that problem would be obvious?

[SinusMK]

Originally posted by m.and:

Also getting tired of loosing because of what I call " poor man wins cards". By that phrase I mean cards that are made for the game, but which are basically redundant in decks, but which can be used if you have nothing else you can use.

Whatever that is supposed to mean. If you mean Krull now, let me tell you that this card does not automatically mean a victory.
That you lose is more likely because you are playing the wrong deck for the meta and you do not know the decks of your opponents.
This deck helps you to quickly put pressure on your opponent and to discard his hand. So that you don't have to pay too much attention to the matchup.
Still, you have to play it right. And let me tell you, I also had to learn it first. It makes a difference which person is playing the same deck.
Everyone loses, I was often close to the next rank and then lose 3 in a row.
If you play against the same decks often, you will learn better how to beat them
Relax listen to music and enjoy the game.

Basically, it helps with such a discussion to know which decklist you are currently trying.

[m.and]

No but I've given up counting on my fingers how many times I've lost because my opponent throws such a poor man's win card that totally ♥♥♥♥♥ my deck up, so my only option is to concede. I always have a least 2-3 ways to win with my decks.

[SinusMK]

Originally posted by m.and:

No but I've given up counting on my fingers how many times I've lost because my opponent throws such a poor man's win card that totally ♥♥♥♥♥ my deck up, so my only option is to concede. I always have a least 2-3 ways to win with my decks.

Sorry, but this conversation is getting nowhere

[fluxtorrent]

2-3 ways? yeah no, your decks are definitely the problem