MTG Arena has global emote blocking.

[Unembellished Genius]

Its saying something when mtga in even its current rough alpha state has the foresight to include such a basic feature.

It also has multiple playmats. While neither one of these features inherently makes the game better than Eternal because its currently not, its telling that these very basic ideas have already been implemented.

Eternal has had the same board and the same music for almost 2 years. While they have added many great improvements they have completely dropped the ball on the look of the game along with QOL improvements the community have requested since the beginning.

If DWD doesn't get thier act together MTGA(once they sort out the economy) and Artifact are going to eat thier lunch.

[Dysmetria]

Messaggio originale di aardvarkpepper:

"for free" because you put in how many hours over how many days using your **** commons and eventually oh looky you got one legendary or whatever, too bad you need three or four plus rares never mind what happens when the meta shifts so you need to put in more time?

Yeah and you COULD have just spent that time working a job.

"Oh, but I do this for fun" - really? You really want to say that you grinded hundreds of hours to build a deck whose cards rotate out of set, then grinded more and more for more decks, for more rotations, for more bla bla? That was all "fun"?

Well then too, you can ALSO play MTG Arena with common cards and get facerolled until you eventually (someday) earn those rares and legendaries.

I've put in about 2000 hours into this game, about the same into Hearthstone, and slightly less into Elder Scrolls Legends. I never once grinded in any of them, because I started playing them all on day 1, did my dailies every day, and by the time a new set rolled out in each I had every card I wanted and was sitting on a huge pile of dust/gems/shiftstone. I have over 200k shiftstone ready to use to craft every card I want from the upcoming set in this game now, just as I did the set before it, and the set before that.

It was never a grind for me, in any of those games. It was never a matter of playing my crappy commons versus their legenday decks because it was the first month and we all only had commons, and by the second month we all only had a few legendarys each. It was the same for each game. It was always fun, and never a grind because we were all pretty even.

Not one of the 2000 hours I have played was ever a grind to me. If it were a grind, or unfun, I wouldn't play, period, just like I don't play the twenty or so other CCGS I tried and decided not to keep playing. Because that is exactly what I do this for, for fun. Some salty bitter whiny people on the other hand seem to be doing it for the wrong reasons...

Messaggio originale di Tank:

I thought i blocked your trollish responses. Anyway you cant seem to respond to any thread without hurling insults. You're such a clown and dont even realize it.

The only one responding and failing to hurl insults here is you by trying to claim I am somehow the clown here. It is your thread, your clown act, which is why you are performing even now by pretending you thought you had blocked me.

If you are somehow insulted by my pointing out how immature and oversensitive you are, you could always stop making threads like this to put on your clown show and to perform your same tired act and show us all that you are immature and oversensitive.

Alternately you can actually block me this time and keep whining for DWD to make the meanies all stop emoting you and proving me right, because that is what oversensitive and immature people do.

[Captain_Narol]

The Echoes I have from Arena so far is that the economy there is quite harsh, so I will probably stick with Eternal as far as I am concerned.

I'm very happy of the addition of Leagues in Eternal as it was my favorite game mode on Magic Online for years, overall I have the pleasant feeling that Eternal is doing all the right things in my book and moving in the right direction, contrary to Magic and Hearthstone.

[raythr]

WOW sounds like arena is the best game ever then

...said noone ever
arena =

you realise they expect you to WIN 30 games a day for like half a cardpack ?
i dont own enough ♥♥♥♥ emojis for that

Messaggio originale di Valore:

Posted in another thread, which basically was saying the same thing.

Interesting fact. There was a game where you could pay real money to have an item that played a very loud and annoying sound every time you beat an opponent.

People started complaining about it, and the devs caved, and reduced the volume of the sound significantly.

However, they were forced to backtrack and return the sound to the original volume. Why? Because firstly, people who had originally bought the item started demanding refunds and kicking up a huge fuss.

Secondly, the devs realised that sales of the item had plummeted dramatically after the volume reduction.

First lesson of the story? People will pay money to troll other people. Devs love money.

Second Lesson? Despite the complaints of those that get triggered by the trolling, they seldom will quit the game or stop giving the devs money. Or they never give money to the devs anyway. Or the lost money isn't measurable. So devs don't really care or listen to them.

Last lesson of the story? Cosmetic/troll and other non-gameplay affecting items are a great compromise for devs who do games in a free to play model. Even though there will always be some that complain about it, the fact of the matter is the people who are most likely to spend money and are really sucked into the game will just grit their teeth and get over the annoying things, as long as their gameplay isn't affected.

The others who actually bother to post in forums threatening to not spend money/stop spending money/quit the game because of this non-gameplay affecting trolling are the minority, and are generally just white noise the devs tune out.

i would pay any amount for such a item in eternal
preferably with a 10 second full screen popup that cant be clicked away
im already throwing money at my screen but nothing happens

btw what game is that ?
is it popular since i never heard of what you wrote(and its so hilarious, im sure someone would talk about it)

Messaggio originale di Captain_Narol:

This discussion is taking an interesting turn.

The "Meta" of the gaming market is indeed changing as more and more people get hostile to P2W and Microtransactions, as examplified by the Battlefront debacle and the backlash it generated !

The tide is turning, there is indeed room for a tactical card game that doesn't require you to collect lots of cards by grinding hard or paying huge sums of money.

Just look for example the unexpected success of the indie "Slay The Spire", it's just PvE but it does a lot of things right and you get the full game for a set price.

Eternal has a player-friendly monetization-scheme, contrary to Mtg Arena and Artifact, so I'm not really worried for it and I rather think that the hype on those two will fall flat fast.

In the domain of "Paper" Card Game, there is the interesting concept of LGG that is rising up to contest the classical CGG design, and some of them are coming soon to the digital front which could shake the market for digital card game if well done.

what about artifact ?
everyone seems to be experts with no released info

the only thing i was able to catch was its not f2p, aka its gonna be b2p

dota2 and tf2, the prototypes of lootbox rng games. are losing players like crazy

in all honesty making artifact b2p and cards tradeable on the store
doesnt sound like something any sane company would do, being the last nail to their gaming coffin(ppl are still foaming because no hf3)

if they actually plan out artifact like that
noone will give a rats ass
and its deader than might and magic doc

Messaggio originale di Valore:

This is an interesting point, but I think you've overlooked one crucial thing here, which is that markets exist in segments, and certain segments, especially in leisure and luxuries, which I believe gaming would fall under, people don't consider similar things suitable replacements, especially when the elements of change involve attributes fundamental to the object in question.

If I wanted to play Magic, I would play Magic. If I wanted to play HS, I'd play HS. If I wanted to play Eternal, I'd play Eternal. At the moment, Eternal scratches the itch of Magic, but with digital conveniences, and digital improvements. So I play Eternal.

You postulate that if Eternal ever got so expensive it was ludicrous I wouldn't play it, and that's true, but 2 points remain relevant.

1. It is unlikely, based on the model they've adopted. And even if it did, its incredibly unrealistic to expect they'd increase the price so massively it becomes an issue.
2. I wouldn't switch to HS or MTG:A. Unless there was something that had attributes in core areas like Eternal, I'd just shrug it off and move on to other genres until the situation changed. So in that sense, in a limited market, the audience itself is fairly secure.

Whether or not that's relevant depends on how many people see Eternal as a substitute suitable item. I for one don't, others may. Card games aren't really household chores to me xD

untrue, id go to where the time/reward correlation is the least abysmal
hs is a completely different game, and i dont see any noteable competitors for it
that offer the same cheaper(for whatever reason)
they basically all have the same price aka p2w
and at least you know hs wouldnt be randomly shut down like every previous EA, ubisoft,wotc etc game

then there is the other bunch
eternal, arena, artifact etc which also are literally the same p2w galore, those even more
except eternal = the easiest to keep up with


so if they actually did release a game without grinding where you would just buy the affordable expansions with money once in a while and have all the cards (something faeria promised before they backtracked several times)
and with a somewhat decent gameplay

goodbye hs and eternal, you shall not be missed

Messaggio originale di Captain_Narol:

The Echoes I have from Arena so far is that the economy there is quite harsh, so I will probably stick with Eternal as far as I am concerned.

I'm very happy of the addition of Leagues in Eternal as it was my favorite game mode on Magic Online for years, overall I have the pleasant feeling that Eternal is doing all the right things in my book and moving in the right direction, contrary to Magic and Hearthstone.

the problems i see in those are of economical nature
which is the only side they focus one, fleecing their palyers as much as possible, the game comes always after that

interesting enough, for now, NOONE was interested in bringing up a potent competitor
which doesnt screw over its customers lootbox style in the worst possible way

so i wouldnt see it as 1vs2vs3vs4
its more like 1 vs copy1 vs another copy1 vs another another copy1


i mean, you get all cards for a fixed affordable price
doesnt seem THAT hard to pull off
and not a single company even tried it once



TLDR; dont be lazy and read everything
LMFAO jk
but thats some really good discussion, you dont see that here every day

[aardvarkpepper]

Messaggio originale di Dysmetria:

I've put in about 2000 hours into this game, about the same into Hearthstone, and slightly less into Elder Scrolls Legends. I never once grinded in any of them

2000 hours but no grinding.

Look, I know this is the age of the clickbait Youtube video, the age of fake news, the age of distorted "scientific" reports paid for by corporations, and so on.

But even so, that's trying to sell the story a little hard.

Just because you didn't mind spending your time that way doesn't mean others will feel the same way.

Just because you got in at the beginning doesn't mean everyone else got in at the beginning.

Your point is perfectly valid insofar as you personally are concerned, I can accept that.

But to try to state a position has empirical validity based on outlier results? Come on.

[Dysmetria]

Messaggio originale di aardvarkpepper:

Messaggio originale di Dysmetria:

I've put in about 2000 hours into this game, about the same into Hearthstone, and slightly less into Elder Scrolls Legends. I never once grinded in any of them

2000 hours but no grinding.

Look, I know this is the age of the clickbait Youtube video, the age of fake news, the age of distorted "scientific" reports paid for by corporations, and so on.

But even so, that's trying to sell the story a little hard.

Just because you didn't mind spending your time that way doesn't mean others will feel the same way.

Just because you got in at the beginning doesn't mean everyone else got in at the beginning.

Your point is perfectly valid insofar as you personally are concerned, I can accept that.

But to try to state a position has empirical validity based on outlier results? Come on.

I didn't state my position had empirical validity. I have played 2-3 hours daily since day one. Some days, like today, I spent more. I really dig highlander, it is to me one of the most fun formats there are. Sometimes I win three drafts in a row and the hours fly by. Other days I just played 2 or 3 games, knocked out a daily and logged out.

I didn't claim that everyone got in at the beginning. I just said you were wrong about it being a grind for me. You didn't need to reply just to tell me you accept what I said. In fact you didn't need to reply any of the times you tried to call bs, tried to put words in my mouth and then reply again just to try to do the same before conceding the point.

Were it a grind for me I wouldn't play it. Or I'd pay to avoid it. Just because I got every card I wanted for free doesn't mean I didn't spend any money. I support the games I like, and have several avatars and the premium sigils for this game from supporting it. I just dropped ten today so I could play 5 singletons. And now I am going to get back to it. So far I am doing quite well.