Please make the unify wargoal a one time use

[Desperadoscres]

It's so anoying how when you play allied to france or germany, you will alway's be dragged into a war that ruin your economy
Sometime even if your part of a completly separate market
Right now im playing vietnam and im in the french market, and their has been 5 franco-german war for alsace lorraine, non of which where won by a single side

[Desperadoscres]

Or reduce the ammount of state needed to form germany... It's stupid how you need to hold land OUTSIDE of germany to form germany

[Und3rt4k3r]

Originally posted by Desperadoscres:

Or reduce the ammount of state needed to form germany... It's stupid how you need to hold land OUTSIDE of germany to form germany

This is because Germany was at the time of the First World War. Germany had territories in what is now Poland and on the coast of the Baltic Sea.

[Carolean]

The issue isn't the war goal and the territories it requires aren't outside Germany (of the time) as you claim.

The issue is how the AI loves to white peace currently (because of how utter trash the war system is)

[Desperadoscres]

Originally posted by Carolean:

The issue isn't the war goal and the territories it requires aren't outside Germany (of the time) as you claim.

The issue is how the AI loves to white peace currently (because of how utter trash the war system is)

Originally posted by Und3rt4k3r:

Originally posted by Desperadoscres:

Or reduce the ammount of state needed to form germany... It's stupid how you need to hold land OUTSIDE of germany to form germany

This is because Germany was at the time of the First World War. Germany had territories in what is now Poland and on the coast of the Baltic Sea.

Yes, land that ISEN'T german, needing alsace lorraine to form germany would be like needing wales to form england, because wales was part of england at once point

[Desperadoscres]

Originally posted by Carolean:

The issue isn't the war goal and the territories it requires aren't outside Germany (of the time) as you claim.

The issue is how the AI loves to white peace currently (because of how utter trash the war system is)

A lot of the time germany and france are pretty equal and they can never beat each other enaught for one to win anyway, white peacing is just better so the game doasent end with less than 1B global gdp

[Carolean]

Originally posted by Desperadoscres:

Originally posted by Carolean:

The issue isn't the war goal and the territories it requires aren't outside Germany (of the time) as you claim.

The issue is how the AI loves to white peace currently (because of how utter trash the war system is)

A lot of the time germany and france are pretty equal and they can never beat each other enaught for one to win anyway, white peacing is just better so the game doasent end with less than 1B global gdp

Exactly my point, the fact wars in this game can go on forever without one side beating the other (if you don't make the AI white peace) is because the war system is trash

[Desperadoscres]

Originally posted by Carolean:

Originally posted by Desperadoscres:

A lot of the time germany and france are pretty equal and they can never beat each other enaught for one to win anyway, white peacing is just better so the game doasent end with less than 1B global gdp

Exactly my point, the fact wars in this game can go on forever without one side beating the other (if you don't make the AI white peace) is because the war system is trash

I dont think the war system is trash because but it's a bit player biased, in the sens the player will alway's beat the AI, but the AI will alway's strugle to do anything

[Carolean]

Originally posted by Desperadoscres:

Originally posted by Carolean:

Exactly my point, the fact wars in this game can go on forever without one side beating the other (if you don't make the AI white peace) is because the war system is trash

I dont think the war system is trash because but it's a bit player biased, in the sens the player will alway's beat the AI, but the AI will alway's strugle to do anything

How can it be player biased when the player has no agency and the AI actually controls how 'player' armies fight?

[Desperadoscres]

Originally posted by Carolean:

Originally posted by Desperadoscres:

I dont think the war system is trash because but it's a bit player biased, in the sens the player will alway's beat the AI, but the AI will alway's strugle to do anything

How can it be player biased when the player has no agency and the AI actually controls how 'player' armies fight?

because the player can use tactict that allow them to alway's win against AI, tactict that the ai will never use against the player

[Carolean]

Originally posted by Desperadoscres:

Originally posted by Carolean:

How can it be player biased when the player has no agency and the AI actually controls how 'player' armies fight?

because the player can use tactict that allow them to alway's win against AI, tactict that the ai will never use against the player

Such as?

[Desperadoscres]

Originally posted by Carolean:

Originally posted by Desperadoscres:

because the player can use tactict that allow them to alway's win against AI, tactict that the ai will never use against the player

Such as?

jiggling naval landing, having them just give you all the wargoal you want because you also putted " cutdown to size in the peace deal ", which will give you all the wargoal and also delete your infamy
Navaly invading in the zone right next to their capital and have the army reach their capital before their troup can reach the front, due to army occying faster than they move
just directly navaly invade their capital because the ai sometime doasent garrison it
Navaly invade the whole coastline to push without getting a single casualty,
Splitting your army and deleting your troup to have them throwthsemfl at the frontline

[Carolean]

Originally posted by Desperadoscres:

Originally posted by Carolean:

Such as?

jiggling naval landing, having them just give you all the wargoal you want because you also putted " cutdown to size in the peace deal ", which will give you all the wargoal and also delete your infamy
Navaly invading in the zone right next to their capital and have the army reach their capital before their troup can reach the front, due to army occying faster than they move
just directly navaly invade their capital because the ai sometime doasent garrison it
Navaly invade the whole coastline to push without getting a single casualty,
Splitting your army and deleting your troup to have them throwthsemfl at the frontline

So your argument for why the war system isn't trash is...a list of all the ways it's unrealistic and poorly designed?

[Desperadoscres]

Originally posted by Carolean:

Originally posted by Desperadoscres:

jiggling naval landing, having them just give you all the wargoal you want because you also putted " cutdown to size in the peace deal ", which will give you all the wargoal and also delete your infamy
Navaly invading in the zone right next to their capital and have the army reach their capital before their troup can reach the front, due to army occying faster than they move
just directly navaly invade their capital because the ai sometime doasent garrison it
Navaly invade the whole coastline to push without getting a single casualty,
Splitting your army and deleting your troup to have them throwthsemfl at the frontline

So your argument for why the war system isn't trash is...a list of all the ways it's unrealistic and poorly designed?

Victoria 3 isent really made to be realistic, every ideology is meant to be an archornim for a playstyle rather than how it would actually work
Like communist actually working is just play stupid lol

[Scheneighnay]

Originally posted by Carolean:

The issue isn't the war goal and the territories it requires aren't outside Germany (of the time) as you claim.

The issue is how the AI loves to white peace currently (because of how utter trash the war system is)

Yeah that's the actual problem that you see in a lot of grand strategy games. Your AI allies are so incompetent at dealing with other AIs that they're a total liability, then you go to war with them and suddenly they have 5000 regiments and actual territorial ambitions.