Cooperative Ownership enable Privatisation

[Sam]

Any ways of/or mods allowing the privatisation of buildings under that economic policy? I want the pops to benefit from the dividends. I invested in buildings to kickstart the economy in areas but now they can't seem to buy ownership of them?

[✠ Sigmar ✠]

"Cooperative Ownership" is literally the opposite of private property.

[Sam]

Originally posted by ✠ Sigmar ✠:

"Cooperative Ownership" is literally the opposite of private property.

Yes I know but Local owners still work under the private ownership category and functionability so they simply cannot buy state owned building even If I want them to

[Sam]

Originally posted by ✠ Sigmar ✠:

"Cooperative Ownership" is literally the opposite of private property.

Also privatisation doesn't mean "owned by capitalist" it means it's on the private sector and that includes coops. Public sector is everything owned by the Gov.

[✠ Sigmar ✠]

I know that. However, "Cooperative Ownership" means "Ownership by the people" as an abstract entity represented by the state (and the ruling communist party). It does not refer to "coops" in the sense of a commercial trading company or a local group of farmers. There is no private property under that system, at least not with regard to important means of production. Therefore, you cannot privatize your factories under that law, and a mod that would allow it would be as nonsensical as one that would allow universal suffrage under an autocratic system.

[Sam]

Originally posted by ✠ Sigmar ✠:

I know that. However, "Cooperative Ownership" means "Ownership by the people" as an abstract entity represented by the state (and the ruling communist party). It does not refer to "coops" in the sense of a commercial trading company or a local group of farmers. There is no private property under that system, at least not with regard to important means of production. Therefore, you cannot privatize your factories under that law, and a mod that would allow it would be as nonsensical as one that would allow universal suffrage under an autocratic system.

Dude it's literally called Cooperative ownership... Collectivism, Communism, Cooperatism, same principal different word. All industry, doesn't matter if owned by Gov, by private investors or by the workers aims to make profit. All i'm saying is, the functionality to Nationalize or to allow the workers to buy their company (Privatise) should work under this system just as much as it should under interventionism or others. The only difference being, instead of financial districts and manor houses it would simply be the workers of that buiding Collectivizing and buying the company

[Alex]

Wait, what are you even spouting?

Oh, Quebec. Okay, understandable. Have a nice day.

[Sam]

Originally posted by Alex:

Wait, what are you even spouting?

Oh, Quebec. Okay, understandable. Have a nice day.

Doesn't matter where I'm from, it's just how it is. I've studied political science, history and urbanism at University. But just to give a funny in-game exemple, just look at the construction queue under cooperative ownership. There's Government construction and then Private construction. All the local owned and collectivized industry is listed under that. Look... all i'm saying that it would be nice to have the ability to make workers own Government built buildings and to be able to nationalise some localy owned ones too. Just to reflect some real world exemples. Because in reality each exemple is different. Some places it was 100% (or close) Gov owned and others closer to the opposite. This is game after all so I'd just like the ability to play around with some interesting scenarios

[Sam]

Originally posted by Alex:

Wait, what are you even spouting?

Oh, Quebec. Okay, understandable. Have a nice day.

Also sorry if my english is bad, usually I'm well spoken, I've just been pretty tired lately. With all the threats of annexation and trade war, we've been mobilizing and training pretty intensely

[✠ Sigmar ✠]

Originally posted by Tag-Zagg:

Dude it's literally called Cooperative ownership... Collectivism, Communism, Cooperatism, same principal different word.

That's what I'm saying, "dude".

Originally posted by Tag-Zagg:

All industry, doesn't matter if owned by Gov, by private investors or by the workers aims to make profit. All i'm saying is, the functionality to Nationalize or to allow the workers to buy their company (Privatise) should work under this system just as much as it should under interventionism or others.

You are contradicting yourself. Under communism, it is not an actual group of workers that owns the facility, it is the state, as a representative of the (abstract) people. It literally means that everything important is nationalized, not privatized. Read a book, please.

[Alex]

Originally posted by Tag-Zagg:

Also sorry if my english is bad, usually I'm well spoken, I've just been pretty tired lately.

My joke wasn't aimed at your language. ;)

Originally posted by Tag-Zagg:

With all the threats of annexation and trade war, we've been mobilizing and training pretty intensely

So, you're saying that you guys are playing even more hockey?

Originally posted by Tag-Zagg:

Doesn't matter where I'm from, it's just how it is. I've studied political science, history and urbanism at University.

Wow, small world. I also studied that at University.

Anyway, back to the topic. Under soviet rule, there was no such thing as cooperative ownership of factories or farms. At best, there were "cooperatives" on the level of a workshop, and even those were "nationalized" in the 60s.

[Sam]

Originally posted by ✠ Sigmar ✠:

Originally posted by Tag-Zagg:

Dude it's literally called Cooperative ownership... Collectivism, Communism, Cooperatism, same principal different word.

That's what I'm saying, "dude".

Originally posted by Tag-Zagg:

All industry, doesn't matter if owned by Gov, by private investors or by the workers aims to make profit. All i'm saying is, the functionality to Nationalize or to allow the workers to buy their company (Privatise) should work under this system just as much as it should under interventionism or others.

You are contradicting yourself. Under communism, it is not an actual group of workers that owns the facility, it is the state, as a representative of the (abstract) people. It literally means that everything important is nationalized, not privatized. Read a book, please.

I've studied in Uni in Political science, history urban planning (wich is not relevant here but hey). The system you're talking about is Either Facist, Socialist or Nationalist. Communism, much Capitalism is an economic system and not a Governing principal

[Sam]

Originally posted by Alex:

Originally posted by Tag-Zagg:

Also sorry if my english is bad, usually I'm well spoken, I've just been pretty tired lately.

My joke wasn't aimed at your language. ;)

Originally posted by Tag-Zagg:

With all the threats of annexation and trade war, we've been mobilizing and training pretty intensely

So, you're saying that you guys are playing even more hockey?

Originally posted by Tag-Zagg:

Doesn't matter where I'm from, it's just how it is. I've studied political science, history and urbanism at University.

Wow, small world. I also studied that at University.

Anyway, back to the topic. Under soviet rule, there was no such thing as cooperative ownership of factories or farms. At best, there were "cooperatives" on the level of a workshop, and even those were "nationalized" in the 60s.

No I mean't in military. And Yes that's true, but the USSR although branded as Communist never really was. It was a Socialist Oligarchy. Germany during the rule of the mustache man Nationalized many industries as well. They were after all Nationalist-Socialist. But any attempt at diverging from the status quo. Anything remotely against Capitalist interest was squashed down by the CIA and propaganda. It is entirely possible to have communism/Coops/Collectivism, some socialist programs and even Capitalism in any type of government. So a Democracy, Anarchy, Autocracy, doesn't matter.

In fact Like I said here In quebec we have millionaires and billionaires, but we also have Nationalise Hydro-Electiricity, A Public-Private hybrid healtcare system and we also for profit Coops.

[✠ Sigmar ✠]

Originally posted by Tag-Zagg:

Originally posted by ✠ Sigmar ✠:

That's what I'm saying, "dude".



You are contradicting yourself. Under communism, it is not an actual group of workers that owns the facility, it is the state, as a representative of the (abstract) people. It literally means that everything important is nationalized, not privatized. Read a book, please.

I've studied in Uni in Political science, history urban planning (wich is not relevant here but hey). The system you're talking about is Either Facist, Socialist or Nationalist. Communism, much Capitalism is an economic system and not a Governing principal

We are talking about economic systems here, which means your last phrase is completely irrelevant. Also, "nationalism" is not a system at all, it is an ideology that can manifest itself in all kinds of economic and political systems. Lastly, fascism is the opposite of communism in that it very much supports private property and capitalism. Again: Read a history book. You know too little, especially for someone who prepares to deal with these things on a professional level. "Hey."

[Sam]

Originally posted by Alex:

Originally posted by Tag-Zagg:

Also sorry if my english is bad, usually I'm well spoken, I've just been pretty tired lately.

My joke wasn't aimed at your language. ;)

Originally posted by Tag-Zagg:

With all the threats of annexation and trade war, we've been mobilizing and training pretty intensely

So, you're saying that you guys are playing even more hockey?

Originally posted by Tag-Zagg:

Doesn't matter where I'm from, it's just how it is. I've studied political science, history and urbanism at University.

Wow, small world. I also studied that at University.

Anyway, back to the topic. Under soviet rule, there was no such thing as cooperative ownership of factories or farms. At best, there were "cooperatives" on the level of a workshop, and even those were "nationalized" in the 60s.

The thing is and I really don't blame you, there's a thick history, espacially in europe, with the USSR and it's rule. I am not a lover of the USSR I can assure you that. I don't want to impose anything or start a violent revolution, those tend to not work so well anyway. No I just think it's time to deconstruct the propaganda and to work non-violently towards a better world. For exemple, if I ever end up starting a company it's gonna be a 100% coop. Just making a small change as I can.

Ultimately, I just want to play the game and have fun and I just wanted the people in the buildings I built to benefit from the dividends that's all lol

[Sam]

Originally posted by ✠ Sigmar ✠:

Originally posted by Tag-Zagg:

I've studied in Uni in Political science, history urban planning (wich is not relevant here but hey). The system you're talking about is Either Facist, Socialist or Nationalist. Communism, much Capitalism is an economic system and not a Governing principal

We are talking about economic systems here, which means your last phrase is completely irrelevant. Also, "nationalism" is not a system at all, it is an ideology that can manifest itself in all kinds of economic systems. Lastly, fascism is the opposite of communism in that it very much supports private property and capitalism. Again: Read a history book. You know too little, especially for someone who prepares to deal with these things on a professional level. "Hey."

Well yeah, I've read books before. There's a huge missunderstanding on what is what, what I'm saying is Nationalism, much like facism and socialism are Ideologies that can be intertwine and used in many ways. USSR was Socialist, Nationalist with Communism and some capitalism under and Oligachy Rule. Germany was Socialist and Nationalist with Capitalism too under an Autocratic rule. USA is Nationalist, Capitalist with very little socialist programs under a democrat-republic like Oligarchy.

Every Nation is different but it's never black and white. It's not so... hum like Solid you know? Idk how to say this... like things aren't this OR that they can both apply