Most boring game ever ?

[Leto]

I started the tutorial mission with sweden, and all you can do is make sure you accumulate some money reserves, spend a bit on construction, and save money again, while dealing with uprisings and commissioning research, so 99.9% of the time you look at the screen and can't do anything useful.
Declaring war is not possible, because one of the big nations ALWAYS comes to the aid of the small ones, so war is more or less an element only for big powerful nations.
So it stays the same, I look at the screen for hours and do practically nothing.
In the game, you can easily set it to the fastest speed and go for a walk for an hour, and when you come back, nothing else has happened.
The typical browser mobile games are more interesting, with their 1-2 hour build times, because you have something to click on more often.

the fact that big nations ALWAYS interfere in wars is a good thing if you play a big power yourself, and to slow down your own expansion, but if you play a small nation, getting bigger is impossible due to this mechanic.

[gigamelon1981]

Origineel geplaatst door dichebach:

But with all that said: the chief complaint which is the theme of this thread: "boringness" is simply NOT a legitimate complaint. The game was never meant to be "exciting."

Isn't that even worse?
Because if the game never meant to be exciting,
what I was saying isn't a complaint anymore, but legit everyone boring while playing.

As for HOI4, it was a good game but i don't like how it only has a handful of playable nation.
So at the vanilla, i could play as Brazil for example, but it will have the generic tech, no story whatsoever, and will be weak forever unlike a featured nation like German. Honestly it is what I liked from Vicky 3, even minor nation is reasonably playable. I love playing less known power at games like that. Not saying it has to be an utterly weak nation, but less known power.

I've bought some of Paradox games, HOI4, Stellaris, Surviving Mars, Prison Architect. With some of the DLCs, that interest me. Their practice is nothing new to me. Stellaris and Surviving Mars are my favorite. I felt like, if I must complete the Stellaris DLCs before, but the recent ones are quite bad, waiting for sale.

I own CK, but the free version, CK2. I also have difficulties understanding that one.

[The Doctor]

Origineel geplaatst door gigamelon1981:

Origineel geplaatst door dichebach:

But with all that said: the chief complaint which is the theme of this thread: "boringness" is simply NOT a legitimate complaint. The game was never meant to be "exciting."

Isn't that even worse?
Because if the game never meant to be exciting,
what I was saying isn't a complaint anymore, but legit everyone boring while playing.

As for HOI4, it was a good game but i don't like how it only has a handful of playable nation.
So at the vanilla, i could play as Brazil for example, but it will have the generic tech, no story whatsoever, and will be weak forever unlike a featured nation like German. Honestly it is what I liked from Vicky 3, even minor nation is reasonably playable. I love playing less known power at games like that. Not saying it has to be an utterly weak nation, but less known power.

I've bought some of Paradox games, HOI4, Stellaris, Surviving Mars, Prison Architect. With some of the DLCs, that interest me. Their practice is nothing new to me. Stellaris and Surviving Mars are my favorite. I felt like, if I must complete the Stellaris DLCs before, but the recent ones are quite bad, waiting for sale.

I own CK, but the free version, CK2. I also have difficulties understanding that one.

No, it's not worse at all. It's a bit like going into the cinema to watch a romcom when you wanted to see an action movie. You have completely different expectations of something when you understand what it is designed to be but if you don't know, that romcom called 'Die Hard with a Kiss' might be very boring indeed. But if you went in to see a romcom, you might actually enjoy it. It was never intended to be an action flick and there's nothing wrong with that at all.

It's a Paradox Design Studio game so it's a 'movie' (I hope the metaphor is clear there) but it doesn't mean that if you like their other games, you'll enjoy this, even Vic 2, something any TRUE Vic fan would have known before they bought it. None of it was hidden from anybody, nobody lied about what we'd get. These folks just wanted something different and are mad they didn't get it.

[gigamelon1981]

Origineel geplaatst door The Doctor:

No, it's not worse at all. It's a bit like going into the cinema to watch a romcom when you wanted to see an action movie. You have completely different expectations of something when you understand what it is designed to be but if you don't know, that romcom called 'Die Hard with a Kiss' might be very boring indeed. But if you went in to see a romcom, you might actually enjoy it. It was never intended to be an action flick and there's nothing wrong with that at all.

It's a Paradox Design Studio game so it's a 'movie' (I hope the metaphor is clear there) but it doesn't mean that if you like their other games, you'll enjoy this, even Vic 2, something any TRUE Vic fan would have known before they bought it. None of it was hidden from anybody, nobody lied about what we'd get. These folks just wanted something different and are mad they didn't get it.

Alright,
honestly following that metaphor, i tried Vicky 3 with no expectation since I'm completely new to the series. Endgame Stellaris, Surviving Mars, Prison Architect is also boring, but at least is engaging at the beginning. HOI 4 is super boring at beginning, but quite have a lot to do later.
I didn't lie when i said i fell asleep on my chair when playing Vicky.
At my current capabilities, it was boring from beginning to the middle game.
Waiting things to be done, relaxing music playing on the background...
Ofc not expecting everyone should have the same opinion as mine, especially for the Vicky fans. Maybe it will be better when i learn the game better.
Also i want to say boring doesn't equal to a bad game in my book.
I've played some boring games and IMHO they could have a satisfying end.

[Baron Van Zieks]

Origineel geplaatst door TasteDasRainbow:

It's an economic game and you're not interested in the economics, that's fine, probably not for you. Most people will track their construction rather closely alongside their market values and constantly feedback loop balancing those together.

For those who enjoy it, it's about making your nation as profitable as possible in order to expand production, bring more profit to your citizens, and bolster your nations services to bring your people as high a standard of living as possible.

VC3 is not even fun for people who enjoy economics, even the vic 2 economic system was better than this garbage lol. Most of the abstract numbers dont even effect the gameplay

[Shintai]

Yea, dont tell me Victoria 3 even got a remotely primitive economic simulation. We have goods and money vanishing or appearing out of thin air to begin with.

[Sunbather]

Origineel geplaatst door dichebach:

The intent of the game is to represent the inherent trade-offs involved in the evolution of a 19th century nation. The opposing demands of pops, factions, ruler aspirations and "goals" are part of that large and complex set of dynamics.

They should print this on the box of the game!

[Leto]

it's been mentioned here several times that it's not a war game, but that's actually a big part of the game, what's left without war?
Put buildings in a construction queue and introduce a new law every hour.

If it's purely about the economy and building up the land, there are far better games for that.

especially in economic simulations.

i mean, why do you build up your economy at all, if not to be able to use it to build up a military?

[Solvem Probler]

As with almost all PDX titles, the fun is in changing history by taking a nation and guiding it. However with the way the 19th century starts out that is almost impossible. You're either a great power and free to do whatever or you're one of the losers.

Taking a small nation and completely turning it around is just not something that's fun here.

[Kimlin]

Origineel geplaatst door Leto:

it's been mentioned here several times that it's not a war game, but that's actually a big part of the game, what's left without war?
Put buildings in a construction queue and introduce a new law every hour.

If it's purely about the economy and building up the land, there are far better games for that.

especially in economic simulations.

i mean, why do you build up your economy at all, if not to be able to use it to build up a military?

True. Everything is economy. Diplomacy is an extension of the economy and war is an extension of diplomacy. Saying war and diplomacy is not part of or a focus of an economic/political/society simulation is nonsensical.

[Kimlin]

Origineel geplaatst door NihilVerum:

As with almost all PDX titles, the fun is in changing history by taking a nation and guiding it. However with the way the 19th century starts out that is almost impossible. You're either a great power and free to do whatever or you're one of the losers.

Taking a small nation and completely turning it around is just not something that's fun here.

My first and 1 if my favorite plays was as Texas. It’s not overly difficult and it’s fun to go from a minor state to top dog.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2883498177

[Solvem Probler]

Texas without the Santa Ana event would be impossible.

[Kimlin]

Origineel geplaatst door NihilVerum:

Texas without the Santa Ana event would be impossible.

Isn’t that irrelevant?

[Solvem Probler]

Origineel geplaatst door Kimlin:

Origineel geplaatst door NihilVerum:

Texas without the Santa Ana event would be impossible.

Isn’t that irrelevant?

Plenty of nations don't get that event. Try doing anything as Lan Fang. Try unifying Germany as one of the minors.

This was possible, if difficult, in Vic2,

[Kimlin]

Origineel geplaatst door NihilVerum:

Origineel geplaatst door Kimlin:

Isn’t that irrelevant?

Plenty of nations don't get that event. Try doing anything as Lan Fang. Try unifying Germany as one of the minors.

This was possible, if difficult, in Vic2,

I’ve unified Germany as a minor. So it’s in your opinion that anything difficult is bad? That’s fine, everyone gets to have their opinion. This game is so easy you have to find difficult situations for a challenge.

[Sunbather]

Origineel geplaatst door Leto:

i mean, why do you build up your economy at all, if not to be able to use it to build up a military?

Why do you build up an army if not to be able to dominate the world by political means?