How to form North German Confederation as Prussia now?

[Nimbusᴼᴸᴳᴵ]

I'm in Multiplayer (1852), every German nation is part of my market but there is no North German Federation under formable nations, also there is no wargoal against Austria. As last missing condition it basically says ,,Be the only unification candidate left". I can't see who the other ones are, I can only guess it's Austria. But anyway, no worgoal about this stuff. What now??

[Specknacken]

you have to solve the holstein question, a percentage of german member states need to have nationalism researched and then you need to be the only unification candidate (so you have to win a war with the respective wargoal against austria).

[Kimlin]

I don’t think you need Austria for the North German Confederation, do you?

[Nimbusᴼᴸᴳᴵ]

Originally posted by Specknacken:

you have to solve the holstein question, a percentage of german member states need to have nationalism researched and then you need to be the only unification candidate (so you have to win a war with the respective wargoal against austria).

Holstein and the percentage about nationalism is already out of the way. I already stated that I do not have any special wargoal against Austria.

[Nimbusᴼᴸᴳᴵ]

Originally posted by Kimlin:

I don’t think you need Austria for the North German Confederation, do you?

It seems like it, even though I've got no wargoal. Only other possibility I can think of is some historical "trigger" date, which could be needed in order to merge into the North German Confederation?

[MT]

I don't know if it's buggy or working as intended, but I had to fight Austria twice for leadership. Once for North German Confederation and again for Germany. Both war goals are found in the "Cultures" menu under "Germany"/"Nation Formation". Not super intuitive.

[Nimbusᴼᴸᴳᴵ]

Originally posted by MT:

I don't know if it's buggy or working as intended, but I had to fight Austria twice for leadership. Once for North German Confederation and again for Germany. Both war goals are found in the "Cultures" menu under "Germany"/"Nation Formation". Not super intuitive.

I only got three countries in that list:

- Rheinbund (Rhine Confederation)
- Mitteleuropa (Central Europe)
- Deutschland (Germany)

No North German Confederation...

[MT]

That's why I wonder if it was a bug. I had to use the Germany leadership war twice - both for North German Confederation AND Germany about 10 years later. Two seperate leadership wars vs Austria.

[Nimbusᴼᴸᴳᴵ]

Originally posted by MT:

That's why I wonder if it was a bug. I had to use the Germany leadership war twice - both for North German Confederation AND Germany about 10 years later. Two seperate leadership wars vs Austria.

Did you use the German unification button for this twice?

[Specknacken]

there is no "button" for NGF anymore. Its an event that fires when you meet the requirements, which are as I stated above in the first answer in this thread, if I'm not mistaken (finishing both flags "German national identity and "The Schlesvig-Holstein question").

Forming Germany is different, as you need to to the cultural unification play for this, which always leads to a war against france and possibly austria again. you can however form super germany with austria, if you have cut them down in size beforehand and afterwards pushed relations with them to the max.

My preferred route as prussia is like this:

1.at the game start, start a liberate subject play on holstein. you have a 25% chance of denmark accepting this without a fight.
2. start researching nationalism.
3. ally russia as soon as possible, push positive relations with france. start a war with austria over humiliation wargoal, adding liberation of hungary and possibly galicia and most importantly, add the wargoal of becoming the only unification leader. get russia and possibly other nations to join on your side. after you won this war, stop rivaling austria and immediately push for positive relations. Also start rivaling france now and max out relations with other german states, if you dont already have done so.
4. as soon as the ceasefire with denmark runs out, start a liberate subject play over slesvig. Again there is a chance for denmark accepting this without fighting. If they do, pop a bottle of champagne, youre almost set set for forming NGF. As soon as (i think) 75% of all member states have researched nationalism (theres a flag in the outliner that shows you how many have finished) you should have solved both journal entries needed to form NGF and the event should fire.
5. If you didnt do it already, start invading zululand, and after that Oranje & Transvaal. Theres lots of gold there that will become available as the game progresses and that will finance your whole state.
6. Start researching Pan-nationalism if you want to form germany within a few years.
7. As soon as all other german states including austria favour you for being the unification leader, start the unification play. this will get you into a war with france over alsace-lorraine and some other states, potentially even russia, if you are unlucky with your allies & relations. Win the war --> Voila, form germany.

Or aim for a bigger target and form a unified european super state. dont forget to snatch california, nevada & arizona from mexico before the US get it. If you are looking for other nice places in the sun, protectorate/conquer venezuela, colombia, sindh, oil-rich pieces of arabia/persia, benin, Oyo state. All of these will help you big time in the late game, for either gold, oil or rubber.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3087974329

[Nimbusᴼᴸᴳᴵ]

Originally posted by Specknacken:

there is no "button" for NGF anymore. Its an event that fires when you meet the requirements, which are as I stated above, if I'm not mistaken (finishing both flags "German national identity and "The Schlesvig-Holstein question").

Forming Germany is different, as you need to to the cultural unification play for this, which always leads to a war against france and possibly austria again. you can however form super germany with austria, if you have cut them down in size beforehand and afterwards pushed relations with them to the max.

My preferred route as prussia is like this:

1.at the game start, start a liberate subject play on holstein. you have a 25% chance of denmark accepting this without a fight.
2. start researching nationalism.
3. ally russia as soon as possible, push positive relations with france. start a war with austria over humiliation wargoal, adding liberation of hungary and possibly galicia and most importantly, add the wargoal of becoming the only unification leader. get russia and possibly other nations to join on your side. after you won this war, stop rivaling austria and immediately push for positive relations. Also start rivaling france now and max out relations with other german states, if you dont already have done so.
4. as soon as the ceasefire with denmark runs out, start a liberate subject play over slesvig. Again there is a chance for denmark accepting this without fighting. If they do, pop a bottle of champagne, youre almost set set for forming NGF. As soon as (i think) 75% of all member states have researched nationalism (theres a flag in the outliner that shows you how many have finished) you should have solved both journal entries needed to form NGF and the event should fire.
5. If you didnt do it already, start invading zululand, and after that Oranje & Transvaal. Theres lots of gold there that will become available as the game progresses and that will finance your whole state.
6. Start researching Pan-nationalism if you want to form germany within a few years.
7. As soon as all other german states including austria favour you for being the unification leader, start the unification play. this will get you into a war with france over alsace-lorraine and some other states, potentially even russia, if you are unlucky with your allies & relations. Win the war --> Voila, form germany.

Or aim for a bigger target and form a unified european super state. dont forget to snatch california, nevada & arizona from mexico before the US get it. If you are looking for other nice places in the sun, protectorate/conquer venezuela, colombia, sindh, oil-rich pieces of arabia/persia, benin, Oyo state. All of these will help you big time in the late game, for either gold, oil or rubber.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3087974329

TL;DR
Did not ask for some speedrun strat and German unification is not the issue here.

[Specknacken]

Originally posted by Nimbusᴼᴸᴳᴵ:

Originally posted by Specknacken:

there is no "button" for NGF anymore. Its an event that fires when you meet the requirements, which are as I stated above, if I'm not mistaken (finishing both flags "German national identity and "The Schlesvig-Holstein question").

Forming Germany is different, as you need to to the cultural unification play for this, which always leads to a war against france and possibly austria again. you can however form super germany with austria, if you have cut them down in size beforehand and afterwards pushed relations with them to the max.

My preferred route as prussia is like this:

1.at the game start, start a liberate subject play on holstein. you have a 25% chance of denmark accepting this without a fight.
2. start researching nationalism.
3. ally russia as soon as possible, push positive relations with france. start a war with austria over humiliation wargoal, adding liberation of hungary and possibly galicia and most importantly, add the wargoal of becoming the only unification leader. get russia and possibly other nations to join on your side. after you won this war, stop rivaling austria and immediately push for positive relations. Also start rivaling france now and max out relations with other german states, if you dont already have done so.
4. as soon as the ceasefire with denmark runs out, start a liberate subject play over slesvig. Again there is a chance for denmark accepting this without fighting. If they do, pop a bottle of champagne, youre almost set set for forming NGF. As soon as (i think) 75% of all member states have researched nationalism (theres a flag in the outliner that shows you how many have finished) you should have solved both journal entries needed to form NGF and the event should fire.
5. If you didnt do it already, start invading zululand, and after that Oranje & Transvaal. Theres lots of gold there that will become available as the game progresses and that will finance your whole state.
6. Start researching Pan-nationalism if you want to form germany within a few years.
7. As soon as all other german states including austria favour you for being the unification leader, start the unification play. this will get you into a war with france over alsace-lorraine and some other states, potentially even russia, if you are unlucky with your allies & relations. Win the war --> Voila, form germany.

Or aim for a bigger target and form a unified european super state. dont forget to snatch california, nevada & arizona from mexico before the US get it. If you are looking for other nice places in the sun, protectorate/conquer venezuela, colombia, sindh, oil-rich pieces of arabia/persia, benin, Oyo state. All of these will help you big time in the late game, for either gold, oil or rubber.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3087974329

TL;DR
Did not ask for some speedrun strat and German unification is not the issue here.

Well, forming NGF has nothing to do with the cultural nation formation plays. Its just an event that fires. If you are not the sole unification candidate, you should have the wargoal for it, or its a bug. Maybe you are missing something in the respective tooltips.

Propably would be easier to solve this riddle if you would provide screenshots of the german nation formation tab and the austrian diplo interactions (also the non eligible ones).

Keep your hopes up, maybe someone else can make a better guess what your problem is.

[Hangaround0122]

Solve the holstein question BEFORE every state research Nationlism.
After that you will get a "button" in the Culture, it means fight for the leader or sth.

[Nimbusᴼᴸᴳᴵ]

Originally posted by Hangaround0122:

Solve the holstein question BEFORE every state research Nationlism.
After that you will get a "button" in the Culture, it means fight for the leader or sth.

That could be the problem, but would also mean it's a bug. There is no hint or tooltip that the player must finish the holstein question before researching nationalism. Pretty annoying imo, also because NGR historically did not form before 1870.

[Nimbusᴼᴸᴳᴵ]

I will try the unification for Germany, because it's the only possibility left and let you guys know about the results.

[ApfelkönigHD]

Hey, I formed Germany in 1858 today.
You need to 1.st solve the Schleswig Holstein Queation THAN under Culture you click on Germany. A new window will open and give the option to start an war with Austria for German Leadership.
All German Nations that support you (in youre Customs Union) wil instanly be annexed if you win the war and create the Northern Federation.

Once you controle enough Germans States (I think 23) you can form germany and it will annex the remaining small German States