Ending discrimination without multiculturalism

[Scheneighnay]

Is there any way to cause or allow specific cultures to not be discriminated against without enacting multiculturalism?

Playing as China, all of my radicals are in the west where all of my discriminated pops are.
However, I don't want multiculturalism because I want to keep limited immigration.

Ideally I would just eliminate discrimination against Uighurs and Tatars only.
Any way to pull this off?

[fan4you2]

does not exist.

[fan4you2]

Adopt immigration control laws if you want limited immigration. It is clearly different from the removal of immigration controls. According to the racial law, it classifies the races that can immigrate to the transfer state.

Some information may be inaccurate due to the use of a translator.

[fan4you2]

Migration Control + Multiculturalism = Freedom of Migration
Elimination of migration controls = freedom of movement
Migration Controls + Other Racial Laws = Restricted Migration.

[Scheneighnay]

Originally posted by fan4you2:

Adopt immigration control laws if you want limited immigration. It is clearly different from the removal of immigration controls. According to the racial law, it classifies the races that can immigrate to the transfer state.

Some information may be inaccurate due to the use of a translator.

Migration control doesn't work with multiculturalism.

The minute I enacted multiculturalism (before switching back) I got flooded by Cree and African migrants, even with migration controls in place.

[Kimlin]

They need a pop system similar to Imperator Rome but more robust. Where you can give specific privileges or restrictions, promote assimilation or out right ban certain cultures.

Adding granularity and details to the pop system would go a long way for the society simulator aspect of the game.

[kgkong]

Originally posted by Kimlin:

They need a pop system similar to Imperator Rome but more robust. Where you can give specific privileges or restrictions, promote assimilation or out right ban certain cultures.

Adding granularity and details to the pop system would go a long way for the society simulator aspect of the game.

Yea, I think you're also limited to what religion can be your state religion based on what religion your devout group starts off supporting.

I would like to see an option to change state religion (even if you don't have the State Religion law enacted, you're state religion is still the same as the Devout). And an option to add a culture group to the primary culture of the nation/state.

[Scheneighnay]

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

Originally posted by Kimlin:

They need a pop system similar to Imperator Rome but more robust. Where you can give specific privileges or restrictions, promote assimilation or out right ban certain cultures.

Adding granularity and details to the pop system would go a long way for the society simulator aspect of the game.

Yea, I think you're also limited to what religion can be your state religion based on what religion your devout group starts off supporting.

I would like to see an option to change state religion (even if you don't have the State Religion law enacted, you're state religion is still the same as the Devout). And an option to add a culture group to the primary culture of the nation/state.

Or just make a cultural policy where cultures aren't discriminated against in their homelands, but still are elsewhere in the country.

Would make a lot of sense in countries like China and Russia (Sakha Republic for example) where you have a wide range of cultures each concentrated in different parts of the country

[kgkong]

Originally posted by Scheneighnay:

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

Yea, I think you're also limited to what religion can be your state religion based on what religion your devout group starts off supporting.

I would like to see an option to change state religion (even if you don't have the State Religion law enacted, you're state religion is still the same as the Devout). And an option to add a culture group to the primary culture of the nation/state.

Or just make a cultural policy where cultures aren't discriminated against in their homelands, but still are elsewhere in the country.

Would make a lot of sense in countries like China and Russia (Sakha Republic for example) where you have a wide range of cultures each concentrated in different parts of the country

Ah yea... Since migration is disallowed, you should have some degree of pop relocation with the more aggressive cultural laws for sure. I didn't think about that before until you brought that up.

[dbix11]

I like the stellaris system of managing pops. https://stellaris.paradoxwikis.com/Species_rights

Full Citizenship
Residence
Slaves
Servitude
....Undesirables

[Kimlin]

Originally posted by dbix11:

I like the stellaris system of managing pops. https://stellaris.paradoxwikis.com/Species_rights

Full Citizenship
Residence
Slaves
Servitude
....Undesirables

I forgot about that. Isn't there an even greater breakdown of types from that. Like slaves can be used as food, you can have migration controls, undesirables can be removed or eliminated.

[Scheneighnay]

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

Originally posted by Scheneighnay:

Or just make a cultural policy where cultures aren't discriminated against in their homelands, but still are elsewhere in the country.

Would make a lot of sense in countries like China and Russia (Sakha Republic for example) where you have a wide range of cultures each concentrated in different parts of the country

Ah yea... Since migration is disallowed, you should have some degree of pop relocation with the more aggressive cultural laws for sure. I didn't think about that before until you brought that up.

I just mean that it makes no sense for a culture to be oppressed in an a state they make up 90% of the population of.

Like the whole discrimination system is based on the American south, which was an absolutely bizarre scenario compared to the rest of the world.

[kgkong]

Originally posted by Scheneighnay:

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

Ah yea... Since migration is disallowed, you should have some degree of pop relocation with the more aggressive cultural laws for sure. I didn't think about that before until you brought that up.

I just mean that it makes no sense for a culture to be oppressed in an a state they make up 90% of the population of

In the state, no. In the nation, yes, totally makes sense.
Just because the Kazakhs made up the majority of their regions population while in the USSR, doesn't mean they weren't discriminated nationally.
THOUGH I do think as a pop group holds a majority of a state, that should add a modifier to reduce the impact of discrimination they face.

[shiggies713]

I don't have the game up, but doesn't like racial segregation or one of those not discriminate against pops that you have a shared heritage with?

[Scheneighnay]

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

Originally posted by Scheneighnay:

I just mean that it makes no sense for a culture to be oppressed in an a state they make up 90% of the population of

In the state, no. In the nation, yes, totally makes sense.
Just because the Kazakhs made up the majority of their regions population while in the USSR, doesn't mean they weren't discriminated nationally.
THOUGH I do think as a pop group holds a majority of a state, that should add a modifier to reduce the impact of discrimination they face.

All of the turmoil is in discriminated-majority states.
AND they have a higher standard of living than my Manchu pops. There's no reason for them to be angry.

[Scheneighnay]

Originally posted by shiggies713:

I don't have the game up, but doesn't like racial segregation or one of those not discriminate against pops that you have a shared heritage with?

Correct, but that means China doesn't discriminate against Japanese and Vietnamese anymore.

Uighurs, and Tatars are still discriminated against.