canada is at war with me when they are my dominion

[Emperor Zero]

austrian empire is trying to fight sindh so i join on their side and canada is now on the austrian empire side when they are literally my dominion, is this intended? because this is really dumb, just feels like your puppets and dominions aren't on your side but rather just nations in your market.

[Kimlin]

They have some autonomy but that does seem odd unless they joined with the promise of independence.

[kgkong]

Not a bug, but countries with autonomy are free to join wars however they want. They likely seen a better relationship by joining the other side. I've had to reload and try a few wars differently by changing how I preemptively prepared for them diplomatically to prevent certain nations from joining the other side and encouraging more nations to join my side.

If you don't want Canada to join a war against an enemy, make sure you're amicable in relationship with them or at least have a better relationship with them, than they have with your enemy.

[Mulcaster]

This is a problem because Canada and the other dominions didn't have autonomy in foreign affairs until the Statute of Westminster in 1921. Until then Canada and the others automatically went to war whenever Britain did.

[Emperor Zero]

Originally posted by Kimlin:

They have some autonomy but that does seem odd unless they joined with the promise of independence.

nope they just joined with no war goals or any thing

[Emperor Zero]

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

Not a bug, but countries with autonomy are free to join wars however they want. They likely seen a better relationship by joining the other side. I've had to reload and try a few wars differently by changing how I preemptively prepared for them diplomatically to prevent certain nations from joining the other side and encouraging more nations to join my side.

If you don't want Canada to join a war against an enemy, make sure you're amicable in relationship with them or at least have a better relationship with them, than they have with your enemy.

they are loyal and have 50+ relations with me and they are my dominion so they should just back out of the war no? btw this is probably why but i joined on the side of another nation and they joined on the side of austria so we were only fighting because we supported opposing sides, i think this just shouldn't be a thing and the dominion should leave the war if their master joins it on the other side.

[kgkong]

Originally posted by Sextus Pompeius Magnus:

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

Not a bug, but countries with autonomy are free to join wars however they want. They likely seen a better relationship by joining the other side. I've had to reload and try a few wars differently by changing how I preemptively prepared for them diplomatically to prevent certain nations from joining the other side and encouraging more nations to join my side.

If you don't want Canada to join a war against an enemy, make sure you're amicable in relationship with them or at least have a better relationship with them, than they have with your enemy.

they are loyal and have 50+ relations with me and they are my dominion so they should just back out of the war no? btw this is probably why but i joined on the side of another nation and they joined on the side of austria so we were only fighting because we supported opposing sides, i think this just shouldn't be a thing and the dominion should leave the war if their master joins it on the other side.

But if your war goals impact them negatively (economically, the cost to be in the war on your side, etc) or the enemy government has a more similar government to Canada than yours, and they have an amicable or better relationship with their enemy, they're more likely to not help you or join the enemy instead. Just because they're amicable with a 50 relationship rating doesn't mean that's the best relationship status you can have. They might see the enemy as a better protector to them than you. Maybe the enemy bankrolled Canada's economy, which can drive their relationship up from 50 to a maximum of 80. A lot of factors can impact whether a dominion state will opt to use their autonomy to war against you in favour of your enemy.

[Emperor Zero]

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

Originally posted by Sextus Pompeius Magnus:

they are loyal and have 50+ relations with me and they are my dominion so they should just back out of the war no? btw this is probably why but i joined on the side of another nation and they joined on the side of austria so we were only fighting because we supported opposing sides, i think this just shouldn't be a thing and the dominion should leave the war if their master joins it on the other side.

But if your war goals impact them negatively (economically, the cost to be in the war on your side, etc) or the enemy government has a more similar government to Canada than yours, and they have an amicable or better relationship with their enemy, they're more likely to not help you or join the enemy instead. Just because they're amicable with a 50 relationship rating doesn't mean that's the best relationship status you can have. They might see the enemy as a better protector to them than you. Maybe the enemy bankrolled Canada's economy, which can drive their relationship up from 50 to a maximum of 80. A lot of factors can impact whether a dominion state will opt to use their autonomy to war against you in favour of your enemy.

nope they had neutral relations were not getting banked rolled or any thing you said and even if some how they were they should still be on the side of their overlord and i had no war goals because i was asked to be in the war for a obligation

[kgkong]

Originally posted by Sextus Pompeius Magnus:

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

But if your war goals impact them negatively (economically, the cost to be in the war on your side, etc) or the enemy government has a more similar government to Canada than yours, and they have an amicable or better relationship with their enemy, they're more likely to not help you or join the enemy instead. Just because they're amicable with a 50 relationship rating doesn't mean that's the best relationship status you can have. They might see the enemy as a better protector to them than you. Maybe the enemy bankrolled Canada's economy, which can drive their relationship up from 50 to a maximum of 80. A lot of factors can impact whether a dominion state will opt to use their autonomy to war against you in favour of your enemy.

nope they had neutral relations were not getting banked rolled or any thing you said and even if some how they were they should still be on the side of their overlord and i had no war goals because i was asked to be in the war for a obligation

Perhaps the enemy just had more similarly assigned government focuses than your play style. Autonomous countries are totally free to make their own decisions aren't by any means obligated to even assist you. There's some seemingly RNG factors to this with autonomous countries.

[Kimlin]

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

Originally posted by Sextus Pompeius Magnus:

nope they had neutral relations were not getting banked rolled or any thing you said and even if some how they were they should still be on the side of their overlord and i had no war goals because i was asked to be in the war for a obligation

Perhaps the enemy just had more similarly assigned government focuses than your play style. Autonomous countries are totally free to make their own decisions aren't by any means obligated to even assist you. There's some seemingly RNG factors to this with autonomous countries.

So dominions are autonomous? Or is it puppets? I haven’t mastered that part of the gameplay yet.

[kgkong]

Originally posted by Kimlin:

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

Perhaps the enemy just had more similarly assigned government focuses than your play style. Autonomous countries are totally free to make their own decisions aren't by any means obligated to even assist you. There's some seemingly RNG factors to this with autonomous countries.

So dominions are autonomous? Or is it puppets? I haven’t mastered that part of the gameplay yet.

Dominions are autonomous. Puppets are not. Puppets are entirely obligated to join you in any conflict you get involved in. Dominions can ultimately choose that the conflict you get into is against their best wishes and depending on how similar their government goals and government style is to your enemy, your dominion could opt to fight against you.

[Emperor Zero]

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

Originally posted by Kimlin:

So dominions are autonomous? Or is it puppets? I haven’t mastered that part of the gameplay yet.

Dominions are autonomous. Puppets are not. Puppets are entirely obligated to join you in any conflict you get involved in. Dominions can ultimately choose that the conflict you get into is against their best wishes and depending on how similar their government goals and government style is to your enemy, your dominion could opt to fight against you.

that is very dumb that a dominion can fight against its overlord and very unrealistic but thank you for the infomation.

[kgkong]

Originally posted by Sextus Pompeius Magnus:

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

Dominions are autonomous. Puppets are not. Puppets are entirely obligated to join you in any conflict you get involved in. Dominions can ultimately choose that the conflict you get into is against their best wishes and depending on how similar their government goals and government style is to your enemy, your dominion could opt to fight against you.

that is very dumb that a dominion can fight against its overlord and very unrealistic but thank you for the infomation.

Not really. It makes sense. Maybe the dominion overlord has a government style that the dominion state doesn't agree with. Maybe the economic focus of the overlord is costing the dominion state too much in overhead, or forcing them to have local good shortages because they're exploiting the raw goods from the dominion state. The autonomy means that they're free to do as they please and if a war starts with the overlord and another nation that the dominion state might be allied with, defensive towards, or sympathetic towards because of similar population group and political ideology (same or similar laws and government style) they could opt to war in favor of the overlord's enemy.

[kgkong]

I've called France, Portugal and America into the Cape Colony independence war against GB. On a few games, Portugal ends up joining GB's dominion as an autonomous state in one game. I've convinced Portogul to war against their overlord with me by offering a war goal that changes one of GB's puppet states to change their government to align with Portugal. Pretty handy feature actually.

[Emperor Zero]

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

Originally posted by Sextus Pompeius Magnus:

that is very dumb that a dominion can fight against its overlord and very unrealistic but thank you for the infomation.

Not really. It makes sense. Maybe the dominion overlord has a government style that the dominion state doesn't agree with. Maybe the economic focus of the overlord is costing the dominion state too much in overhead, or forcing them to have local good shortages because they're exploiting the raw goods from the dominion state. The autonomy means that they're free to do as they please and if a war starts with the overlord and another nation that the dominion state might be allied with, defensive towards, or sympathetic towards because of similar population group and political ideology (same or similar laws and government style) they could opt to war in favor of the overlord's enemy.

The thing is im doing none of these things and my government is the same as when the game started ect and no it doesn't make sense, sure you can justify it with ingame things but im saying those ingame things are unrealistic and make no sense as to why a literal dominon of a nation is at war with their overlord, just factually that never happened without the dominion leaving the overlord, you can't just join the enemy side of your overlord then go back to normal and in real life they weren't autonomous. i get what you are saying it makes sense in the game but logically and realistically? no its complete bogus

[kgkong]

Originally posted by Sextus Pompeius Magnus:

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

Not really. It makes sense. Maybe the dominion overlord has a government style that the dominion state doesn't agree with. Maybe the economic focus of the overlord is costing the dominion state too much in overhead, or forcing them to have local good shortages because they're exploiting the raw goods from the dominion state. The autonomy means that they're free to do as they please and if a war starts with the overlord and another nation that the dominion state might be allied with, defensive towards, or sympathetic towards because of similar population group and political ideology (same or similar laws and government style) they could opt to war in favor of the overlord's enemy.

The thing is im doing none of these things and my government is the same as when the game started ect and no it doesn't make sense, sure you can justify it with ingame things but im saying those ingame things are unrealistic and make no sense as to why a literal dominon of a nation is at war with their overlord, just factually that never happened without the dominion leaving the overlord, you can't just join the enemy side of your overlord then go back to normal and in real life they weren't autonomous. i get what you are saying it makes sense in the game but logically and realistically? no its complete bogus

There's some mechanics that need adjusting. But if you catch you're dominion join a war on the other side, you can add war goals to tow the line with them.

It's completely believable if the other nation bailed them out of debt, real-life or otherwise. As war isn't black and white, some wars are fought in strange ways between normal allies and dominion members. Usually small weird proxy wars, particularly involving mostly autonomous colony states. I believe the Dutch East Indies actually experienced this a lot because of the feuding internal sub cultural differences.

However, maybe the dominion owed an obligation to the enemy nation? For example of how this could have played out in your game, it's easy for any nation to go bankrupt that's a dominion to GB. Another nation may have bailed that dominion state out of debt, now being owed an obligation. You call a diplomatic play against that nation that paid off your dominion's debt, they can call on the obligation to get any ally. It might not be entirely accurate to how the majority of wars are actually handled in the real world. But in the game, the obligation itself is pretty powerful in some situations. If the GB market economy is gouging the raw goods of a dominion, I've seen it common for dominion nations to join France or China against Britain if they've been cleared of their debt by them.

In one game specifically, I seen Portugal economy collapsed, they got their debt cleared by France who was colonizing the crap out of east Africa in the Zanj region. Then Portugal joined the GB custom union as their dominion, followed by France declaring war against GB for some African territory, and Portugal under GB dominion joined in the side of France. It was pretty interesting to see, checked after the war and Portugal did remain part of the custom union.