Civil war during a war

[「Sk™」]

Hihi,

I had a secession of Netherlands in 2 of my dutch provinces that I conquered. The Netherlands still existed. During the uprising a civil war broke out in one of the 2 breakaway provinces. But I am not able to annex them back? And they have Neutral relations now and there exists now two Netherlands...

[Bishop Hikusaak]

That happened to me too, wherein Guatemala split into two as I was conquering them. It should be somewhat logical to put the third party in a war against the other two as well.

[Nats]

Problem is they've introduced a completely new, fairly untested war system that nobody asked for, and now we gamers have to put up with them fixing it over the next whole of 2023 until we can play the game properly lol

[Zero, Dark Knight]

Originally posted by Nats:

Problem is they've introduced a completely new, fairly untested war system that nobody asked for, and now we gamers have to put up with them fixing it over the next whole of 2023 until we can play the game properly lol

Who could have guessed that was gonna happen, except all the people saying never pre-order and wait for reviews :P but yeah, this is accurate, pretty much 100%.

As for OP.. rebellions within rebellions are a thing and yeah, it's utterly miserable but, sadly, no known fix.

[「Sk™」]

It's like Paradox Interactive doesn't even have beta testers for their games and just put the games on shelves like it's an IKEA product, for us to fix with mods.

[Nats]

Originally posted by Sk™:

It's like Paradox Interactive doesn't even have beta testers for their games and just put the games on shelves like it's an IKEA product, for us to fix with mods.

Have you not bought a computer game over the last ten years lol? Since Steam appeared devs have become a lot more lazy with the quality of their finished products. They know they can fix them post release. Although games releases have got markedly worse over the last 2-3 years. Got to the point where I hardly ever buy new games in their release month. This was the first one for ages in fact.

[PrinceNic]

Was wondering this same thing myself. Ill be in the process of conquering a small country like Guatemala or Ecuador, and they will break into a civil war, and the breakaway province is now safe from attack.

Its even worse when you are fighting your own civil war, and the break away states end up having a civil war of their own, and the faction breaking away is now safe as its own nation without you even getting a chance to take it back.

I even took a screenshot from a game where Australia had three civil wars in the span of two years where one country turned into eight!

Which now requires you start a new diplomatic play with each "nation" to get rid of them.

The revolution / civil war system is horrendously broken. They happen way to often and way to fast.

[「Sk™」]

Originally posted by PrinceNic:

Was wondering this same thing myself. Ill be in the process of conquering a small country like Guatemala or Ecuador, and they will break into a civil war, and the breakaway province is now safe from attack.

Its even worse when you are fighting your own civil war, and the break away states end up having a civil war of their own, and the faction breaking away is now safe as its own nation without you even getting a chance to take it back.

I even took a screenshot from a game where Australia had three civil wars in the span of two years where one country turned into eight!

Which now requires you start a new diplomatic play with each "nation" to get rid of them.

The revolution / civil war system is horrendously broken. They happen way to often and way to fast.

What I figured out is that you will just have to wait for the civil war to be over and then you can continue occupying the one side that won.

[kgkong]

Though you can't generally start multiple wars, civil wars aren't beholden to this. Different factions inside your nation can revolt, either altogether or individually. Either or, they're dangerous.

The more important question to ask, is what exactly are you guys doing to be triggering so many revolutions and civil wars?

[「Sk™」]

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

Though you can't generally start multiple wars, civil wars aren't beholden to this. Different factions inside your nation can revolt, either altogether or individually. Either or, they're dangerous.

The more important question to ask, is what exactly are you guys doing to be triggering so many revolutions and civil wars?

I started a diplomatic play to conquer Netherlands completely, and then early into the war an uprising spawned.

[kgkong]

Originally posted by Sk™:

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

Though you can't generally start multiple wars, civil wars aren't beholden to this. Different factions inside your nation can revolt, either altogether or individually. Either or, they're dangerous.

The more important question to ask, is what exactly are you guys doing to be triggering so many revolutions and civil wars?

I started a diplomatic play to conquer Netherlands completely, and then early into the war an uprising spawned.

Gotcha.
You just played too aggressively taking the territory through conquest without satisfying your pop groups needs and keeping them from radicalizing. As you went, you just triggered several sub cultural uprisings and revolts. (Also make sure you don't tick off your political groups through excessive legislation changes)

[「Sk™」]

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

Originally posted by Sk™:

I started a diplomatic play to conquer Netherlands completely, and then early into the war an uprising spawned.

Gotcha.
You just played too aggressively taking the territory through conquest without satisfying your pop groups needs and keeping them from radicalizing. As you went, you just triggered several sub cultural uprisings and revolts. (Also make sure you don't tick off your political groups through excessive legislation changes)

I didn't get the civil war, it was Netherlands who got it. I just waited for the civil war to end and then conquered them.

[kgkong]

Originally posted by Sk™:

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

Gotcha.
You just played too aggressively taking the territory through conquest without satisfying your pop groups needs and keeping them from radicalizing. As you went, you just triggered several sub cultural uprisings and revolts. (Also make sure you don't tick off your political groups through excessive legislation changes)

I didn't get the civil war, it was Netherlands who got it. I just waited for the civil war to end and then conquered them.

Then they had something wrong with their economy or society that caused them to flip the table on their government.

[「Sk™」]

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

Originally posted by Sk™:

I didn't get the civil war, it was Netherlands who got it. I just waited for the civil war to end and then conquered them.

Then they had something wrong with their economy or society that caused them to flip the table on their government.

But well, if you did you read earlier, this is quite bs to wait for the civil war to end because in my game there are like three civil wars that have been going on for 40 years.

[kgkong]

Originally posted by Sk™:

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

Then they had something wrong with their economy or society that caused them to flip the table on their government.

But well, if you did you read earlier, this is quite bs to wait for the civil war to end because in my game there are like three civil wars that have been going on for 40 years.

Imagine a country having a secession, and that secession screws with the main country's society and stability, and they revolt against their government who's not responding to the problem that was caused. You have an incredibly destabilized nation state. If non of these revolutionary nations even have a military and no one opted to join any side, then they're gonna remain in a stalemate and this drives up radicals. Now you have a revolutionary state having a revolutionary movement. I've seen it happen a few times in a few of my games. I started joining the diplomatic plays as they popped up to help persuade one side to back down.

Really if the diplomatic play pops up, it's worthwhile to check on. If you have any invested plans to take over a place that is revolting, look into it and see why.

It's not broken per se. It's just that if the right conditions happen to breed a perfect chain of secession movements and revolutions, this is doable in game, though usually extremely hard. I'd say the problems continue to spiral out for Netherlands because you didn't get involved when you had a chance, yet you want to conquer/annex the area anyways but instead chose a path of letting it fall into destability. Not that it's your fault for this oversight, just that there were opportunities to prevent it. Now you know for future.

If they're still at war with the revolutionary wars, then you gotta wait until the populations all just overkill themselves out from radicalizing, their SoL to drop like crazy, and then radical pops to start dying off and eventually the civil war can end. But it sounds like things are so tits-up that this can take the whole game.

If you can't annex, or go to war with them and they aren't at war, the tooltip reason (diplomacy lens > diplomatic play > the play and hover over the nation on the map) says something about them being a Revolutionary State, means you gotta wait until the revolution movement for them is internally is gone.

[PrinceNic]

Its not as simple as just"waiting for the civil war to end", as more often than not, both nations will simply take defensive postures, and do nothing. I watched a divide Brazil go 50 years without either side making a move, they both just sat there doing nothing.

Civil wars would not be so bad if they were actually resolved, but then trying to get a critical resource, and you have to fight for every tiny little tile one by one, it becomes a chore.

No amount of planning and management on my part, can control how the other nations are going to act.

There simply needs to be a mechanism, or even a mod, to force the civil wars to conclude in a timely fashion, or drastically lessen their frequency.