Is it woke?

[Vivi d’Arc]

I want to know before buying. Do you think Victoria 3 is woke?

Thanks in advance.

[Mob]

Originally posted by Zero, Dark Knight:

Originally posted by game:

I want to know before buying. Do you think Victoria 3 is woke?

Thanks in advance.

How about slavery actually gives you an agriculture boost, hm? oh we can't show slavery to have any benefits? why not? because of modern politics? - if you admit that you admit the game is woke.

You are so unbelievably correct. I am disappointed to have bought this game. It takes a solid person to spot this stuff. O'Brien will be on your back buddy (1984). Vic 3 is the last game I will buy from paradox for a fair few reasons. The optimisation sucks and it is clearly a platform for DLC and the propaganda...

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If you dont liberalize you will suffer from a lot of disadvantages and penalties. Multiculturalism is really strong and nations can be become quite diverse late game. So yeah, you could call it a bit woke if you compare it for instance to stellaris where you can literally play as a fascist genocidal empire.

[Bibliophylax]

Well, i correct myself...
Being a sandbox don't make the game free of ideology. because of rigged mechanics involved.

[Primigenia]

Originally posted by game:

I want to know before buying. Do you think Victoria 3 is woke?

Thanks in advance.

long story short, yes

[Zero, Dark Knight]

Originally posted by 10ebbor10:

Slavery is a system which greatly benefits a small class of people who owns the majority of the slaves, but on the whole the system is pretty bad. It locks economies into high-labor production, preventing industrialization.

If anything, Paradox is being pro-slavery (and especially pro-serfdom) in the current game by not accurately representing just how much of a hindrance either economic policy is for industrial development.

and yet if you try and actually play such an economy in Victoria 3, it falls apart, because Slavery hasn't been represented to "Allow" such a state of existence, due to how markets, annual wages, and pop needs work, along with radicals and that.

That's not the devs beating people over the head with ideology?
"Everything works as long as it's leftist utopia"?

[Von Karnstein]

I might buy the game if it can be fixed with mods like stellaris

[Icefraud]

what does 'woke' mean?

[Varagix]

Originally posted by CrispyWalrus:

Originally posted by Varagix:

As woke as you want it to be, since the only thing stopping you from being an authoritarian slaver empire is your own feelings on the matter and willingness to pass and maintain laws that empower the aristocratic Landowners and suppress everyone else.

Yes and no. Right now save RP there is zero benefit to playing the aristocratic landowner. Slavery is a very light touch. You have lower wages and slave upkeep charges when you're a slaver so the net effect is not so much. On top of that all the laws that bunch like are regressive. You'll be stuck with traditionalism over better economic models and slow growth of those elites.

To really play every way the game needs an update. Immoral as it is, slavery needs some attention. Like the market system is pretty awesome. Trade everything except slaves though. They never exist in your market even if you vote in the slave trade. The only benefit to this law is strengthening that aristocratic elite-- very underwhelming right now.

It's a fun sim and I love alt history, but yeah it's a bit woke in that your guided if not pushed towards a certain play style as its the most rewarding in growing your nation. Whether that itself is woke or just how economics works Idk. Like I said zero benefit to regression while progression is advocated. One of the first journal entries you'll get is some push to liberalism even if you're nowhere near the tech like haven't even discovered academia yet.

True enough, I meant more that things in single player aren't so one sided (thanks to AI being AI) that a player not playing optimally on purpose isn't a gamebreaker. There are definite advantages to liberalizing and such.

Also on slavery, I was under the impression that the slave trade is passive in the background, not something you directly interact with, by design. At least the Dev Diaries state that slaves are acquired by slave trade states from debt slavery and other slave trade states within areas of interest, or something to that effect iirc

[Scheneighnay]

Not really.
As other people have said, there's an unrealistic amount of pressure from your pops to liberalize in some cases, but that's it.

I ended segregation in the 1850s instead of the 1950s because was popular.

[Zero, Dark Knight]

Originally posted by Icefraud:

what does 'woke' mean?

well that definition changes based on who answers you and what agenda they wish to push.. I suppose the most neutral and basic, bare bare explanation is...

""woke" is defined as the idea that equality is sustainable, good for everything and everyone at all times, without exception, ever."

[shiggies713]

Originally posted by Icefraud:

what does 'woke' mean?

woke is believing a woman should be guarding the white house.

[Chilltex]

Originally posted by Oaks:

Game is probably too scary for you. You can free slaves and let women vote.

Just because someone does not want more "woke" messages in their entertainment does not mean someone is racist and hates women.

[ashbery76]

Just a modern term for Marxist.

[Messsucher]

Originally posted by Icefraud:

what does 'woke' mean?

Woke means bad.

[Two Beans]

nobody uses "woke" in 2022 except for frightened boomers