A way to communism?

[El Patron]

I play for Russia. With all its problems. Unhappiness, radicalism, riots etc. I want to change from monarchy to communism. But I have no idea how. I have invented socialism, but I cant see any other branch leading to the communism. So how to achieve that? I believe there is a way. Thank you.

[RandyNewman]

In real-life, a combination of military defections and the right unions striking in the right sectors, all at the right time, brought down the Czar with surprisingly little mess (minus the White Army afterwards). This took decades of committed organizing and educating (which in many cases involved teaching peasants how to read, first).

In Vic3, you just go to yours Laws tab and switch governance principles from "Monarchy" to "Council Republic".

Hope that helps.

[Chaise Tactique]

You must go in law section and take "council republic" to get socialism, its because its not common to talk about "council republic" but in russian its more common : "soviet"

[Silverlock]

You will need time to weaken groups who oppose your plans and strengthen the groups who support them. Some laws give some groups a lot of power so you may want to work on those first. Don't forget to use bolster and suppress. And remember even your own government can rebel against your changes.

[El Patron]

Yes you are so right. I have big difficulties to press this law. When I try that, I have rebellion almost imminent. I must figure out how to get rid of those oposing bastards.

[lubed_assassin]

or you piss off the trade unions and they will do it for you if they want council republic with a revolt, click switch sides to rebels.

[VoiD]

Originally posted by lubed_assassin:

or you piss off the trade unions and they will do it for you if they want council republic with a revolt, click switch sides to rebels.

Be careful, as communism and fascism are branches from the same tree, it is also the case in this game.

So the unions eventually turn fascist and their ideology start spreading like cancer, before you know it you'll be forced to go towards fascism as well.

[olen_koira_]

Originally posted by VoiD:

Originally posted by lubed_assassin:

or you piss off the trade unions and they will do it for you if they want council republic with a revolt, click switch sides to rebels.

Be careful, as communism and fascism are branches from the same tree, it is also the case in this game.

So the unions eventually turn fascist and their ideology start spreading like cancer, before you know it you'll be forced to go towards fascism as well.

Fascism is a partnership between corporate interests and a strong central government. Communism is when the means of production are owned collectively within a classless society. The only way they are the same is that they both use the mechanism of the State.

[Azunai]

Way to go. Resurrect a dead discussion on a gaming forum to spread your deluded political views.

[Jactar]

Originally posted by buttzjonson:

Fascism is a partnership between corporate interests and a strong central government. Communism is when the means of production are owned collectively within a classless society. The only way they are the same is that they both use the mechanism of the State.

The problem is that a classless society is pure fantasy. People are never going to be completely equal. Some individuals are always going to be smarter, healthier, and more productive than others.

If all people are forced to be equal, then society loses all the benefits that come from somebody being smarter or healthier, as it won't make sense to be more productive anymore if it doesn't benefit you. Then people are forced to use their intelligence to invent ways to be lazy or to engage in corruption for their own benefit, instead of using their intelligence to be more productive. This is why all communist countries always turn into corrupt hellholes.

Communists also have all kinds of weird assumptions about things like profit. Like profit is stolen from workers. Let's assume this is true and profit is a bad thing. The only problem is that if a company can't make a profit with good products and services, it can't expand its business. Profit is necessary to hire more workers and build more factories. In communism, the company has to give all profits to the workers who already work in that company. This causes goods and services in communism to be of poor quality, as it is considered a crime to expand business and make profits, which are necessary for business expansion.

Then, when these problems become widespread, communist countries are never able to fix them. I mean, issues like corruption or poor-quality products. Instead, they order the police and secret service to ensure that all unhappy people are punished. This is why communist countries always turn totalitarian states as it is more important leaders to stay in power than fix all problems their ideology caused.

[Alex]

Besides, there weren't even any "communist" countries in the first place. Only varying degrees of state capitalism, and that's what we get in the game as well.

[Jactar]

I must admit I like how communism works in this game. It is way to do stuff for those who don't want AI to handle economy. It is also great for role-playing purposes in multiplayer so you can do ideologies that compete.

I sometimes play communist country or totalitarian country even when I don't think they work in real life just because it fun to be bastard who crush weak liberals. :D It is why games are fun you can do stuffs that you cant in normal life.

[Alex]

Yeah, in RL, a command economy cannot function simply due to its sheer complexity. But the simplification of a game can make that theory work.

[Ilhan]

You cannot go communist in the early game, radical communist events will pop up in the medium-late game and you should bolster trade unions at that time to become communist.

[olen_koira_]

Originally posted by Azunai:

Way to go. Resurrect a dead discussion on a gaming forum to spread your deluded political views.

Claiming two ideologies are distinct isn't exactly a political statement, but saying they are might be

[olen_koira_]

Originally posted by Jactar:

Originally posted by buttzjonson:

Fascism is a partnership between corporate interests and a strong central government. Communism is when the means of production are owned collectively within a classless society. The only way they are the same is that they both use the mechanism of the State.

The problem is that a classless society is pure fantasy. People are never going to be completely equal. Some individuals are always going to be smarter, healthier, and more productive than others.

You were either bullied too much or too little in school, hard to know for sure...