Russia: Qing is unbeatable

[Paragon]

Playing as Russia, going for the achievement to conquer all of central asia.

Qing cant be beaten. I mean I won all battles (+50), but only one single battle takes place on the 7000 km long frontline. Since I could not conquer the one state I wanted and Qing also kept attacking me with ♥♥♥♥♥♥ units, I ran out of time since I got a -2 modifier because I did not take the state. My losses were 50'000 against Qing's 1 mio +.

How am I supposed to do this? Naval invasions do not help since they just spam me with ♥♥♥♥♥♥ troops until the time runs out. This seems really dumb.

[Nuprin Feelgood]

not played russia yet myself, but my guess would be the only way to get them would be from the sea. as you mentioned it would take way too long to get their capital from the west. or wait for the heavenly kingdom event revolution, or take korea and come in from two fronts from the east. sounds like a fun challenge.

[HeavyRittles]

About 3 decades into my Qing game I was able to take on and invade any European nation, despite the horrible naval invasion mechanic. Lost interest after that and the ridiculous Taiping rebellion. I mean China's always been wonky in this series, but man...

[Toblm]

I swear there is a saying about starting land wars in Asia.... how'd that go?

That's right... don't.

[Kimlin]

Haven’t tried Russia yet but I would try to attack on the land border and then send at least 3 invasions from different directions. 1 of the armies is bound to break through and then Qiang will jump its forces around allowing more breaks for your armies.

[Alopen]

AI Britain wipes the floor with them in nearly every game in the Opium War. So it can be done. Is UK getting a modifier that you aren’t? Or is the UK tech advantage that massive over the Qing compared to Russia?

[Paragon]

I am the most powerful nation in the world and had a great tech advantage. It seems the problem is that with a frontline this big, the chance to take the province you need to not surrender ist too small for the time limit. AI britain usually takes a port it wants and can stay at 0 in the counter, because Qing does not occupy anything or has achieved their wargoal. At least I thought thats how the system works. I dont know why this did not happen to me. Qing demanded war reparations form me. I demanded a western province.[imgur.com]

[Mentat]

It is equally annoying to fight Russia as Qing. This front line system of the game is just garbage. I will not fight any war unless I have tanks. And even with that there will be all kinds of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ situations where your stupid AI general lead 1 division for a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Banzai charge.

[Double N'wah]

Originally posted by Paragon:

Playing as Russia, going for the achievement to conquer all of central asia.

Qing cant be beaten. I mean I won all battles (+50), but only one single battle takes place on the 7000 km long frontline. Since I could not conquer the one state I wanted and Qing also kept attacking me with ♥♥♥♥♥♥ units, I ran out of time since I got a -2 modifier because I did not take the state. My losses were 50'000 against Qing's 1 mio +.

How am I supposed to do this? Naval invasions do not help since they just spam me with ♥♥♥♥♥♥ troops until the time runs out. This seems really dumb.

If I did what you did my next step would be start over and try to make people hate Qing, problem is you cant lower relations with *other* countries. In a DLC Im sure.

TLDR you need allies, make an alliance before you go to war. Someone who will join you. British interests mean you might be able to get #1 on your side.

[HatefulMother]

Originally posted by Bigot:

Originally posted by Paragon:

Playing as Russia, going for the achievement to conquer all of central asia.

Qing cant be beaten. I mean I won all battles (+50), but only one single battle takes place on the 7000 km long frontline. Since I could not conquer the one state I wanted and Qing also kept attacking me with ♥♥♥♥♥♥ units, I ran out of time since I got a -2 modifier because I did not take the state. My losses were 50'000 against Qing's 1 mio +.

How am I supposed to do this? Naval invasions do not help since they just spam me with ♥♥♥♥♥♥ troops until the time runs out. This seems really dumb.

If I did what you did my next step would be start over and try to make people hate Qing, problem is you cant lower relations with *other* countries. In a DLC Im sure. :Burn:

TLDR you need allies, make an alliance before you go to war. Someone who will join you. British interests mean you might be able to get #1 on your side.

True. Allies are a game changer.

[Nuprin Feelgood]

Originally posted by HatefulMother:

Originally posted by Bigot:

If I did what you did my next step would be start over and try to make people hate Qing, problem is you cant lower relations with *other* countries. In a DLC Im sure. :Burn:

TLDR you need allies, make an alliance before you go to war. Someone who will join you. British interests mean you might be able to get #1 on your side.

True. Allies are a game changer.

true, but they only assist on fronts that you create, they don't make their own...unless they border the land your attacking, and are attacked by the enemy, they wont help.not sure if they actually create their own advance fronts against the enemy attacks...havent had that come up in my play-throughs yet.

[teron]

Originally posted by Alopen:

AI Britain wipes the floor with them in nearly every game in the Opium War. So it can be done. Is UK getting a modifier that you aren’t? Or is the UK tech advantage that massive over the Qing compared to Russia?

Opium wars is early enough that Qing is still using garbage troops because they can only use irregular infantry due to not having better unlocked.

Which means attacking early game Qing is easier to grab stuff since you have better troops, or attack when they are under attack by another great power.

My Russia game I waited too long, so they had slightly better troops. Which meant doing the crazy front line to force them to deploy everything to the boarder. Then navel assaulting a small vanguard of troops (e.g. troop count smaller then navel fleet) to multiple locations including their capital. Which they then started wrecking stuff due to being higher level and having the infrastructure to support larger troop deployments.

For war goals, I did capture state to get into the war. Then forced them to release the country that had the territory for the achievement (which I puppeted and annexed later), Mongolia and Manchuria. Idea being to break up Qing a bit, but also to create new smaller fronts. Plus being to get land closer to better terrain (aka not mountain/desert crap) to launch future wars from.

[Ratio decidendi]

I second the suggestion of attacking earlier.