Paradox account required

[Primigenia]

I was stoked about the game, counting the days to be able to play it, then I notice that Steam says it's required a Paradox account to play it.
Why is that? That's such a turn off for me, why complicate things to the end user with such things? Steps and policies and limitations, if I want a Paradox account I create one, if I don't, I don't;
I already have a Steam account to verify my purchase and identity, this is totally unnecessary screw to the end user.
Please don't do that, I really want to play this game, I have something liike 3500 hours on ck2-3, eu4 and hoi4 combined, but I never buy any game, that requires other accounts, profiles or programs.

[The Former]

Originally posted by nanda.ag:

Originally posted by Primigenia:

true

Rest is triple X's ha ha no need to explore lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcG-rjoYiMo

[Primigenia]

Originally posted by nanda.ag:

Originally posted by Primigenia:

true

Rest is triple X's ha ha no need to explore lol

rest is grand strategy, which stellaris is not

[nanda.ag]

Originally posted by Primigenia:

Originally posted by nanda.ag:

Rest is triple X's ha ha no need to explore lol

rest is grand strategy, which stellaris is not

What the hell is grand strategy even means 🤣 if you goes by steam tags alot of 4x games are in it stellaris included

[The Former]

Originally posted by Primigenia:

Originally posted by nanda.ag:

Rest is triple X's ha ha no need to explore lol

rest is grand strategy, which stellaris is not

I'd disagree. Grand strategy just refers to strategy on the grand scale, and there's no grander scale than Stellaris. All the same concerns you'd expect from grand strategy - army composition, economic wellbeing, population management, diplomacy - are present.

[Thineboot]

Originally posted by Thineboot:

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By populist request I have to radically change my post to this one

I don't know about Vic 3, it's not even released yet, but I can play other Paradox Grand Strategy without Steam or being logged in my Paradox account... just tested it to make sure I'm not dreaming ;)

which is the only legal popular user-defined tag for these products you may use when you refer to the later mentioned CK II, EU IV, Stellaris, HoI IV, IR, CK III and Vic 3 in one thread.

Are you satisfied?

And now for something completely different:

Paradox account required

[A_Rude_Gesture]

Originally posted by nanda.ag:

Originally posted by Primigenia:

rest is grand strategy, which stellaris is not

What the hell is grand strategy even means 🤣 if you goes by steam tags alot of 4x games are in it stellaris included

Grand strategy = Spreadsheets+nice graphics. ;-)

[HatefulMother]

If it supports linking to steam accounts, then maybe it's not truly a paradox account. I really don't mind as long as everything happens on its own without requiring further input from me. Also, it needs to work even when their servers are borked.

[Primigenia]

Originally posted by Lockfågel, the Paradox Knight:

Originally posted by Primigenia:

rest is grand strategy, which stellaris is not

I'd disagree. Grand strategy just refers to strategy on the grand scale, and there's no grander scale than Stellaris. All the same concerns you'd expect from grand strategy - army composition, economic wellbeing, population management, diplomacy - are present.

I would say that for a game to be considered Grand Strategy has to have some key components: internal complex politics, internal economical and cultural management, complex diplomacy, management of army, navy (and air force if there is one), technological and technical development, long time frame, and a map in which there can be long term beneficial treaties/alliances and rivalries with other nations/factions.

Many may not agree and there isn't any shared definition on the term, but this would make games like eu and ck series grand strategy while total war series, civ serier and stellaris series not.

[nanda.ag]

Originally posted by Primigenia:

Originally posted by Lockfågel, the Paradox Knight:

I'd disagree. Grand strategy just refers to strategy on the grand scale, and there's no grander scale than Stellaris. All the same concerns you'd expect from grand strategy - army composition, economic wellbeing, population management, diplomacy - are present.

I would say that for a game to be considered Grand Strategy has to have some key components: internal complex politics, internal economical and cultural management, complex diplomacy, management of army, navy (and air force if there is one), technological and technical development, long time frame, and a map in which there can be long term beneficial treaties/alliances and rivalries with other nations/factions.

Many may not agree and there isn't any shared definition on the term, but this would make games like eu and ck series grand strategy while total war series, civ serier and stellaris series not.

just curious which of the components you listed Stellaris lack?

[Wooju]

dude just make a paradox account lol

[Jojo]

Originally posted by Primigenia:

Very simple: that review is 90% about the policies and politics around the games, not about the games themselves, I would't be having 2300 hours on a game I don't like, I like the game, I dislike the policies. Exactly same thing I'm discussing here, it's not about how good the game is/will be, it's about the structure and behavior that surrounds it.
And btw yes, I play ck2, ck3, hoi4 and eu4 and I have no paradox account.

Don't buy it then. Quit whining and scuttle off.

[Buzzerker]

HAH! not a biggie, It's a Swedish thang. They are afraid that if you pay to play their game and keep it in your Steam Library that you will fall in love with it, run off and steal the rights to it.

Just like sneaky, larcenous Norwegian Vikings used to do with their beautiful big breasted blonde haired women.

Is Paradox being paranoid and greedy? Maybe? Not saying they are, not saying they aren't because I like ABBA,

Look at the graphics of this game, it's gonna be a game changer. Paradox leaping into the 22nd century.

I have to have it.

[Primigenia]

Originally posted by nanda.ag:

Originally posted by Primigenia:

I would say that for a game to be considered Grand Strategy has to have some key components: internal complex politics, internal economical and cultural management, complex diplomacy, management of army, navy (and air force if there is one), technological and technical development, long time frame, and a map in which there can be long term beneficial treaties/alliances and rivalries with other nations/factions.

Many may not agree and there isn't any shared definition on the term, but this would make games like eu and ck series grand strategy while total war series, civ serier and stellaris series not.

just curious which of the components you listed Stellaris lack?

complex diplomacy and complex internal management. not to say that it doesn't have diplomacy and internal management, but it's just on a different level, if you look at rome 2 as an exemple it also has diplomacy and internal management, it's far from being a grand strategy though, nothing to do with EU4 diplomacy

[nanda.ag]

Originally posted by Primigenia:

Originally posted by nanda.ag:

just curious which of the components you listed Stellaris lack?

complex diplomacy and complex internal management. not to say that it doesn't have diplomacy and internal management, but it's just on a different level, if you look at rome 2 as an exemple it also has diplomacy and internal management, it's far from being a grand strategy though, nothing to do with EU4 diplomacy

Doesn't stellaris have more complex diplomacy then EU4? (Federations, vessels, galactic councils etc etc)

[Primigenia]

Originally posted by nanda.ag:

Originally posted by Primigenia:

complex diplomacy and complex internal management. not to say that it doesn't have diplomacy and internal management, but it's just on a different level, if you look at rome 2 as an exemple it also has diplomacy and internal management, it's far from being a grand strategy though, nothing to do with EU4 diplomacy

Doesn't stellaris have more complex diplomacy then EU4? (Federations, vessels, galactic councils etc etc)

did you ever play eu?