Independence please

[Prestige]

Im playing with Cuba right now. I have 3 great powers supporting my independence and my relation with Spain is -30. Wheres the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ button asking for independence or starting a diplomatic play for it? Theres nowhere to be seen...

[pauloandrade224]

your liberty desire is probably less than the required to see it.

And check the unavailable diplomatic plays button thats where ull find it

[DaniTheHero]

Originally posted by Prestige:

Im playing with Cuba right now. I have 3 great powers supporting my independence and my relation with Spain is -30. Wheres the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ button asking for independence or starting a diplomatic play for it? Theres nowhere to be seen...

You need to increase your liberty desire enough, then you can request an increase in autonomy, once they refuse you can declare independence.

[BanDHMO]

Diplomacy screen, where you can see your liberty desire. Like others said, you have to first get country to want independence enough.

[Prestige]

Thank you guys.

[DaniTheHero]

Originally posted by Ole "Slim Jolo" the Hobo Hero:

Good luck, with other states support you should be able to win, Spain seems like it's pretty weak even from the start in like 1840s haha

You don't even need any allies. You just use conscription decree, get about 30 units to defend from landing for a bit and that's it. The Spanish don't have enough forces to properly land on you.

[Dragow]

Well, another tip: protectionism gives like 25% leverage penalty to foreign powers
And just spam overlord with requests it wont accept

[BanDHMO]

Originally posted by Ole "Slim Jolo" the Hobo Hero:

Good luck, with other states support you should be able to win, Spain seems like it's pretty weak even from the start in like 1840s haha

Whether you actually WANT to be independent is another matter. With just one one state and limited resources, your own market is pretty small. Staying with Spain lets you not just lean on their resources, but also steal their citizens to grow your population by immigration.

[DaniTheHero]

Originally posted by BanDHMO:

Originally posted by Ole "Slim Jolo" the Hobo Hero:

Good luck, with other states support you should be able to win, Spain seems like it's pretty weak even from the start in like 1840s haha

Whether you actually WANT to be independent is another matter. With just one one state and limited resources, your own market is pretty small. Staying with Spain lets you not just lean on their resources, but also steal their citizens to grow your population by immigration.

Starting as a Puppet, allows spain to endlessly invest in your country and curping Capitalist growth.
You could technically go for 2 autonomay increase wars to fix that but at that point why go through the trouble, when being that small trade would suffice.

[BanDHMO]

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:

Originally posted by BanDHMO:

Whether you actually WANT to be independent is another matter. With just one one state and limited resources, your own market is pretty small. Staying with Spain lets you not just lean on their resources, but also steal their citizens to grow your population by immigration.

Starting as a Puppet, allows spain to endlessly invest in your country and curping Capitalist growth.
You could technically go for 2 autonomay increase wars to fix that but at that point why go through the trouble, when being that small trade would suffice.

I played a Cuba campaign and they didn't invest that much for me. At least early on, maybe later it makes sense to break free. They have a lot of their own land to develop. Maybe 5-10% of my economy was owned by the Spanish. The neat thing is, while being part of their market, you can overbuild construction and rocket your little island's economy on the shared market's wood and iron, while they have to share in the burden of expensive resources.

But I can't overstate enough how important immigration from Spain was. Cuba itself has a small population, and without immigrants I'd be pop-constrained.

I haven't tried an early breakaway Cuba, but playing Argentina, you hit a wall pretty quick because the New World is so sparsely populated at first. Then it's just conquest or wait for immigration events.

But Cuba is in a crappy position for conquest, being an island. Every war means a naval invasion, and it's not very easy to afford a proper navy and marine corps to pull that off yourself against any country. You have to cleverly ally with other countries to establish yourself on a mainland, and even after you do that, you are just a wannabe Britain or Japan with 1/100th the strength. Everything is across a boat ride.

Staying with the Spanish for a while avoids all that.

But, hey, there's many ways to play the game, so could be worth experiencing both routes.