Great Britiain is just far too strong now

[DaniTheHero]

It's impossible to really do anything about GB unless you manage to cripple them the first 10 years of the game. The Naval superiority they have is (although historic) is unbeatable.

As Qing, was trying to do the treaty point achievement, missing only one in the British isles, and it was impossible to naval invade GB with alies France, Prussia, Russia and my own many Vassals. They have over 400 ships while everyone else has barely 60. And you can't do the invasion entirely on your own as they then zoom to your capital with 12312321 different naval invades.

[limith]

Pick a wargoal that doesn't require naval invasions such as Liberating India or naval invade nearby territory when UK is in a war with another country in Europe and can't pivot their ships in time to stop it. If you are playing a country that can't stand up to UK early wait until you have 4x UK GDP and naval parity then get revenge (1915 for me unfortunately with ultimate realistic education mod).

For early game what I do is release a bunch of vassals, they don't get hit by the opium negative penalty and they get called into war against UK and can hold the naval invasions off. It also scales with power bloc vassalization for more authority for more decrees. You can reintegrate them eventually later down the line (don't release too many vassals though that you won't be able to reintegrate)

[Kapakc]

Defending naval invasions is pretty simple, never had a problem with it. Also naval invading the AI is easy because the AI don't know how to defend against them properly. Just switch invasion region right before you invade and the AI will usually not have any troops defending, and the AI rarely moves their navy to intercept in time

[Al Capwned]

They absolutely are. Before this patch, the number 1 power actually fluctuated and now it's always Britain and they win by a landslide...

[Oracle]

there is a way to dominate britain. first of all break IEC, by joining GB then attacking IEC vassal.

Next you need to find a land border with em, decalre war to conquer it and move you units there. WAIT until 0 war attrition. They will have only a few ships and people to defend their land. Split your army into 10 pieces with 10 fleets, attack on all sides, then last one attack the capital. Always works, they cry-cry and lose

[Oracle]

Ideally if u have at least some power to defend naval invasion, attack their colonies early game and take it, so they wont take tons of land later (same is good with france, but they usually defend it well)

[Razorblade]

I don't see the issue here.

You have a nearly infinite population. If your armies are too weak to defend a naval invasion, make more. If your 60 ship navy is insufficient, make it 500 ships. Past the early game, a player-led Ching should be unstoppable.

Why are you under the impression that you can't just make a bigger army and navy? That seems like an obvious solution with no real blockers.

[Knight_Kin]

Britain always falls apart in civil wars every time I play as the USA. It ends up being 4th or less without any effort.

[DaniTheHero]

Originally posted by Knight_Kin:

Britain always falls apart in civil wars every time I play as the USA. It ends up being 4th or less without any effort.

This literally never happened in my over hundreds of hours of play.
Without very intentional and early player interference GB becomes entirely unstoppable the longer the game progresses and the gap for 1# widens.

[Knight_Kin]

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:

Originally posted by Knight_Kin:

Britain always falls apart in civil wars every time I play as the USA. It ends up being 4th or less without any effort.

This literally never happened in my over hundreds of hours of play.
Without very intentional and early player interference GB becomes entirely unstoppable the longer the game progresses and the gap for 1# widens.

I have not once completed a single game as the USA without the UK devolving into numerous civil wars, same with france. No idea why either. In fact i've never seen the "Great War" break out because Germany never forms and one side always gets crushed early so there's no real power bloc.

[El Nino]

While I understand the frustration, I also see this as a lesson is historicity. Great Britain is OP in the game because Great Britain was OP in real life. Vic 3 is trying to be a simulation (although not perfect by any means) of the Victorian era. Britain was a naval power, and they controlled vast amounts of land, resources, and population. This will be the case in the games as well.

It is still possible to defeat the British as the Qing, but you will find it exceedingly difficult unless you do everything perfectly. Just like in real life, the Qing were outmatched and outgunned. Part of the fun of Vic 3 is trying to succeed as a country where historically they failed. Try to enjoy and welcome the realistic challenge :)

[DaniTheHero]

Originally posted by El Nino:

While I understand the frustration, I also see this as a lesson is historicity. Great Britain is OP in the game because Great Britain was OP in real life. Vic 3 is trying to be a simulation (although not perfect by any means) of the Victorian era. Britain was a naval power, and they controlled vast amounts of land, resources, and population. This will be the case in the games as well.

It is still possible to defeat the British as the Qing, but you will find it exceedingly difficult unless you do everything perfectly. Just like in real life, the Qing were outmatched and outgunned. Part of the fun of Vic 3 is trying to succeed as a country where historically they failed. Try to enjoy and welcome the realistic challenge :)

After a load of reloads, the AI eventually made an oopsi, and GB left it’s home country momentary undefended and Russia instantly invaded them.

[endymionologist]

Paradox names their games after the end bosses. Imperator, Crusaders, Europa, Victoria...

[VoiD]

GB really doesn't exist, it's all India, if you can separate them from india they will lose their #1 status.

[DaniTheHero]

Originally posted by VoiD:

GB really doesn't exist, it's all India, if you can separate them from india they will lose their #1 status.

Not true at all.
It does help a lot to liberate them early (before the Raj, as a super hostile united bengal is no fun), it's home countries still keep them for quite while, Even at games where I release everyone (Canada, Australia, Cape, East Africa, India, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Cornwall..) GB still manages to hover 3rd or 2nd, behind me. They are really insane.

[nordstern]

I think that britain has the potential to do so is historic. The problem is that the other powers do not limit them and also they always are calling all their puppets, allies and so to war. This makes them having the greatest army overall in the game and this makes hat no country can stop them in the colonies.
Only during european great wars they can be beaten. But also here... they never must give up home regions and the war costs are "only" soldiers. They do not lose regions or industries to destruction.

The mainproblem here is that historically they were limited because they must hold the empire together against independence movements, skirmishes, etc. They used regional soldiers for this, but they were paid from the british. And they had garnisons in all colonies. So for example india had no great army at all. It was a peacekeeping army with the equipment and the mainrole as police force and not as army to fight wars.

But in the game the british have not this limits and the commonqealth builds up their own armies and that makes them incredible strong. And their is also the fact that they can fight with their whole army. While other european nations do hold back troops because they have european enemies, the british can use all.

Im think the commonwealth needs a balance. The UK itself is ok.

Its the same problem with austria... itself its ok. But it has no intern conflicts like historical so they gain fast really strong. And on the other side the russians, prussians, french are not going op and are even a bit weak for their time. For example russia in the 19th was the world-police force like the usa today until they were crushed by an european force to stop this dominance during the crimean war 1853-1857.