[FIXED] Playing as Japan, USA player doesn't have a option to Open Markets on me

[Snowduck]

USA player has a interest in Japan but the option in diplomatic demand for Open Market is missing. Can anyone tell me why.

EDIT: Found the answer on Reddit, If you do Investment Rights Diplomatic Demand on Japan it will force Japan to take Free Trade Law and the Opening of Japan Event Fires. Hope this helps anyone else

[John Hadley]

The interest has not activated yet maybe even though it was already ordered because enough time hasn't passed. Have you tried to wait a few months? The only other reason I can think of you might not be able to do an action against someone is your relations are too high or you have a peace treaty with them.

[VoiD]

Is that still in the game?

[Snowduck]

The interest was active and no one in the game has the option to open markets. How am I to reduce the power of the shogun without a ruff civil war?

[John Hadley]

Are you sure Japan doesn't already have free trade? You can only open market if they don't already have free trade.

[John Hadley]

If you want to know why you can't open trade you should click on the Diplomatic Lens at the bottom, then you should select the Diplomatic Demands tab, then click on Open Market, then go hover your mouse over Japan and it will tell you why you can't try to open the market there.

[Snowduck]

I don't have free trade. The options for Diplomatic Demands tab doesn't have Open Market so I can't do what you said.

[TasteDasRainbow]

Originally posted by Snowduck:

The interest was active and no one in the game has the option to open markets. How am I to reduce the power of the shogun without a ruff civil war?

You just force a civil war by attempting to enact homesteading; putting peasants or intelligentsia into government, even if between 25-50 legitimacy, will be enough to upset your shogunate to civil war.

On top of that if you want that to be slightly easier, reduce your game starting army to like 50 to reduce the number of battalions the AI will get.

Further, I'd recommend opening your market on your own terms later around the 50s-60s and not too early, because you lose even more tax efficiency due to ending isolation and don't have much to export to compensate even close.

[War-A-Tron]

One trick is to force corn laws pretty soon. There is a list ingame of potential events someware in the journal I think, and it mentions about having high grain price. So basically force the price of grain high by playing around with production etc and try to force the price to be high.

This will let you break isolation.

[John Hadley]

I tried in my game to use Open Market with a variety of different countries and it was always present in the Diplomatic Lens' Diplomatic Demands tab, This makes me think you must have a mod interfering. Make sure you are doing what I said and clicking on the Diplomatic Lens at the bottom of the screen then the Diplomatic Demands tab at the bottom of the screen, then look for Open Market in the bar of icons that pops up at the bottom of the screen. Even if you can't use it on Japan for some reason, you should have this icon.

[Snowduck]

Originally posted by John Hadley:

I tried in my game to use Open Market with a variety of different countries and it was always present in the Diplomatic Lens' Diplomatic Demands tab, This makes me think you must have a mod interfering. Make sure you are doing what I said and clicking on the Diplomatic Lens at the bottom of the screen then the Diplomatic Demands tab at the bottom of the screen, then look for Open Market in the bar of icons that pops up at the bottom of the screen. Even if you can't use it on Japan for some reason, you should have this icon.

We are playing base game with no mods. I noticed when I load single player I have Open Market Demand, I don't have Sphere of Influence while the MP host does. I believe Sphere of Influence removed Open Market Demand for some reason. Can anyone with Sphere of Influence confirm this?

[Razorblade]

Open Market doesn't exist anymore with Spheres of Influence; it was replaced by Demand Investment Rights. Investment Rights enforces Free Trade on Isolationist nations, as well as giving you Investment Rights. So, in essence, the Open Market play was straight up buffed.

[Snowduck]

Originally posted by Razorblade:

Open Market doesn't exist anymore with Spheres of Influence; it was replaced by Demand Investment Rights. Investment Rights enforces Free Trade on Isolationist nations, as well as giving you Investment Rights. So, in essence, the Open Market play was straight up buffed.

Thanks Razorblade, only learned a few minutes ago from a Reddit post I made and didn't see your comment until after I edited the original post here.

[猪队长]

In version 1.74, Japan's military strength is too strong at the beginning. You need to pull down all the conscripted troops, and Great Britain will challenge you soon.

Remember two principles:
1 Not do that later than 1940, it is too late and he is no longer interested in you;
2 He wouldn’t declare war on you during the Opium War

[猪队长]

Originally posted by Razorblade:

Open Market doesn't exist anymore with Spheres of Influence; it was replaced by Demand Investment Rights. Investment Rights enforces Free Trade on Isolationist nations, as well as giving you Investment Rights. So, in essence, the Open Market play was straight up buffed.

What you said is not accurate. The open market still exists, but the challenger has become Great Britain. .

[Snowduck]

Originally posted by 猪队长:

Originally posted by Razorblade:

Open Market doesn't exist anymore with Spheres of Influence; it was replaced by Demand Investment Rights. Investment Rights enforces Free Trade on Isolationist nations, as well as giving you Investment Rights. So, in essence, the Open Market play was straight up buffed.

What you said is not accurate. The open market still exists, but the challenger has become Great Britain. .

If you don't own Spheres of Influence DLC, it has the Open Market Diplomatic Demand. Razorblade is correct in his previous statement, when you play with Sphere of Influence DLC, Open Market Diplomatic Demand is replaced with Investment Rights Diplomatic Demand. I have double checked and Razorblade is correct.