War score bug

[A_Rude_Gesture]

I've started experience a bug that I never came across before SOI. Playing as Mexico I've had a couple of wars with the U.S. but in my two recent wars (1 with the U.S. and 1 with the CSA) enemy war score never dips below zero. It ticks down just fine until it reaches zero but then stays there for all eternity. I occupied all of the U.S. but it still wouldn't budge and so I had to resort to console commands to enforce the peace. Same during my war with the CSA.

As I said, I fought wars before this (and with the SOI DLC/Patch) and squashed an uprising of a seceding state between the two wars mentione above in which the war score worked as it should.

[John Hadley]

They made some kind of changes in the last update to make it so that the puppets war goals count as the suzerain's war goals. You can't knock the puppets out of the war unless you knock the suzerain out of the war first and the suzerain's war score can't fall below zero without you occupying every one of your war goals against all his puppets or occupying his capital.

This is kinda stupid because if you fight someone that jumps into a war as an ally and not as a puppet all you have to do is capture their capital for a short time to make them concede the war, while the puppet can fight indefinitely even with his capital and his entire country occupied. It doesn't seem right to have two different standards. It makes puppets too powerful.

Anyway, there might be some kind of bug or edge case in the changes that they made that prevents a war from finishing at all. There's definitely been a change and changes can introduce new bugs. Someone reported on the Paradox bug forum sometime in the last day that they couldn't make Prussia's war score drop below zero despite occupying every war goal in a war against Austria. Wars don't end immediately even when you occupy every war goal, but the war score should always be able to drop below zero if you have occupied them all. When you mouse over the war score that is limited to zero it will tell you why it is limited. If it says you own 100% of the war goals but it still says the war score cannot drop below zero that's a bug.

[A_Rude_Gesture]

Originally posted by based and truly redpilled:

Did you hover over the war score and was it saying why it doesn’t go below 0? Often there are conditions for it. Perhaps you demanded a colony that you didn’t occupy yet?

If there are no conditions, then it’s probably a bug and it would be best to file a report and upload your save: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/forums/victoria-3-bug-reports.1114/

No, it said it was going to decrease by -8. something % per 5 days or so, but it never did.

[A_Rude_Gesture]

Originally posted by John Hadley:

They made some kind of changes in the last update to make it so that the puppets war goals count as the suzerain's war goals. You can't knock the puppets out of the war unless you knock the suzerain out of the war first and the suzerain's war score can't fall below zero without you occupying every one of your war goals against all his puppets or occupying his capital.

This is kinda stupid because if you fight someone that jumps into a war as an ally and not as a puppet all you have to do is capture their capital for a short time to make them concede the war, while the puppet can fight indefinitely even with his capital and his entire country occupied. It doesn't seem right to have two different standards. It makes puppets too powerful.

Anyway, there might be some kind of bug or edge case in the changes that they made that prevents a war from finishing at all. There's definitely been a change and changes can introduce new bugs. Someone reported on the Paradox bug forum sometime in the last day that they couldn't make Prussia's war score drop below zero despite occupying every war goal in a war against Austria. Wars don't end immediately even when you occupy every war goal, but the war score should always be able to drop below zero if you have occupied them all. When you mouse over the war score that is limited to zero it will tell you why it is limited. If it says you own 100% of the war goals but it still says the war score cannot drop below zero that's a bug.

Yeah, might've been because of Liberia then, but that doesn't explain why it didn't happen during my other wars with the U.S. and it doesn't explain why it didn't happen when I fought the CSA....weird.

Still, it said that it would go to -8. something % in the next "round" when I hovered over the score.

[A_Rude_Gesture]

Originally posted by based and truly redpilled:

Originally posted by A_Rude_Gesture:

No, it said it was going to decrease by -8. something % per 5 days or so, but it never did.

If there are still unoccupied demands, at the bottom it’s said that war score won’t decrease beyond 0 unless the following demands are occupied, despite the previously projected decrease.

Ok, thanks for the info! I'll investigate the save further to see if that's the case. Otherwise I'll send in a bug report!

Thank you to the both of you for helping!