ironman vs achievements

[Szymosx]

why isnt ironman required to acquire achievements? is savescuming new, normalised meta?

[Alex]

Because the game is essentially still in beta. You may need to go back to find workarounds for some of the bugs.

[Szymosx]

then why did they even bother adding such mode

[Alex]

Well, just because? Maybe they intended to have the achievements only for ironman, but then decided not to since they rushed this unfinished stub of a game. Or the ironman mode was intended for something else, for example the participation in challenges, like those in CK2, but this was scrapped.

[Das_Daw]

iirc ironman not being an achievement requirement, because the devs decided to loosen the screws on all fronts: They wanted you to be able to get achievements with your favorite mods enabled. Thus you can pretty much "engineer" every achievement through tempering with the values in the game files (because those had to be kept accessible for the mods).

So since almost every achievement can be earned by editing game files, there really isn't any point on tying in to iron man. (Which can be true without invalidating Alex stability concern reasons).

[Alex]

Some of the achievements aren't even accessible anymore. The "Christ of nations", for example, is impossible without massive savescumming. Or that one with the Indian territory.

[AC Denton]

Paradox changed their stance on it a while back. It's the same for CK3 and Vic3, you don't need to play Ironman to get achievements anymore, just single player and for CK3, default games rules and a created character under 400 points.

The reason for the change is people seemed to keep pointing out that so many people didn't even even the simplest achievements and it can make the games look bad. Besides people were just force crashing anyway.

[Alex]

Besides, tying all achievements to ironman wasn't the wisest decision. If they wanted to discourage savescumming, there are far better countermeasures for that, like random seeds.

[Cayden Black]

It also alienates a fair number of the audience that enjoy the game but are not elites in how to play it. It allows people to get the dopamine rush of an achievement without risk they'll flat out give up.

I am a casual gamer myself. I don't like hardcore modes in games, as it feels unsatisfying to hit my head on a brick wall. Sure, people can do it, but we're not all built equal.

[6ap6apblckaAa]

I also didn't like the requirement of ironman on previous titles because it is to harsh and stressful. I'd argue that Pdx target audience is more midcore, which doesn't want to perfrom at 300 APM anymore or invest 40 tries like in a speedrun practice.

[Szymosx]

it removes purpose to even try playing decently optimal. it isnt achievement if u can grind 99.9% of them by playing specific countries once.