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nordstern Jan 10, 2024 @ 4:12am
Conditions for the AI to form germany
hi,
which are the conditions for prussia to form germany?

I am asking because i want to play as austria. But i do not want to found germany. But also i do not want to block prussia from doing so.

Im idea as austria is to attack the ottomans and getting their european territories except south of the last mountains (thrace, macedon, greece). After that i want to make russia to give me poland and 2 other reagions. And than i will focus on italy.
The only intention i have in germany is (to make the borders look more smooth) bavaria. Maybe later franconia, baden, wurttemberg, slesia and saxony and switzerland.

But i will not block prussia from founding germany, because i want strong endgame nations which can match with me.


I know that prussia can form the north german federation without solving the slesvig-holstein-question. So the AI has here different triggers. In an old game prussia formed germany even without forming the ngf before it.
So the question is which goals the prussians must fulfill to form germany and which space must i give them to do so.
If it comes to a german leadership war i will refuce fighting before they can form other wargoals and give prussia the leadership without a war. But if they want in a 2nd war for bohemia, etc i will fight them.

The reason is... poorly,.. because the ai does not conquer. So to give me an endgame enemy i must use a nation the AI will found through their scripts and which is strong. And the only nation herefore is germany.

I think germany is the strongest nation in the game. Not because its op. Simple because you gain high developed, same culture terrirories for free AND the AI nations do not have any thinking about expanding in such areas (i have never seen european countries trying to conquer other european states, exept based in events). If for example france would attack belgium, piemont (savoy, monaco) or/and spain... france would be the great power of europe. But they do not. Also russia will not conquer european territories like sweden, prussia, galicia or the ottomans and force territories from them. I hope they will fix this. I hate it. Because that makes the game to easy if only the player do so.

Thanks for suggestions.

nordstern
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Alex Jan 10, 2024 @ 4:26am 
That's because the AI is half finished, and that's a very generous estimate:
1. The AI will never try to reunite split states, and there's not even a CB for this.
2. The AI won't attempt to reconquer provinces which are homelands to its people (except for events). This should've been a mechanic unlocked with Pan-Nationalism.
3. The AI is very passive in general, even if it has a military advantage.
4. On the other hand, since the game mechanics favor the defenders disproportionally, offensive wars are very risky. Even a mid-game war can devolve into a WW1-type meat grinder, and the AI is far too quick to give up. Probably because the war costs are badly balanced, since there's no war material stockpiling (unlike in RL).
nordstern Jan 10, 2024 @ 4:31am 
the problem with the ww1-type meat grinder is also that great powers want to intervene very often... regardless the opinion they have or the interests they have/can reach with the war.

What is with the condition the ai has to form germany?
Alex Jan 10, 2024 @ 4:49am 
Great powers intervention is, unfortunately, mostly RNG-based. The AI is eligible for participation if it has an interest in the area, and then, if the opposing side's AI can offer the great power something as as sway, they are likely to join. Stuff like opinion/trade/relationship with your country aren't even taken into consideration, it seems.
nordstern Jan 10, 2024 @ 5:13am 
i often see the AI joins even if they get nothing. And even if this means a huge ww1-like meatgrind. They are willing to fight wars with millions of casulties for nothing and for mini-countries.

In an extreme situation i had a worldwar between russia, austria and england on one side and france, prussia, usa and spain on the other side for Krakau integration of austria. Even if i have interests here. No leader, no player would ever fought such a war.
Alex Jan 10, 2024 @ 5:21am 
Yes, I also find it strange that the AI is wiliing to participate in exhange for absolutely nothing. It's either stupidity, or the object of the sway is sometimes not displayed.

I once had France trying to intervene in my war to annex a tiny piece of Indochina. Despite them having good relations with me, and regardless of the fact that I was supplying half their steel.
Last edited by Alex; Jan 10, 2024 @ 5:26am
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Date Posted: Jan 10, 2024 @ 4:12am
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