Assimilation?

[Alex]

I just want to check if I'm understanding this game mechanic correctly. Discriminated pops are bad, because they create additional turmoil and so on. Therefore, assimilating them seems to be the most sensible course of action since multiculturalism is rather difficult to get.

However, pops will only assimilate if they are not discriminated, but if they aren't discriminated, then there's no benefit in assimilating them, right? Or am I missing some hidden bonuses/penalties? Also, is there really no way to override the "homelands" assimilation roadblock?

P.S. Yes, I've read the wiki. What I'm asking is for any additional information, user experience, changes due to updates, basically anything not (yet) included in the wiki.

[Bryce325]

Well what to do with these pops mostly depends on where you are.

Play multicultural have everyone happy
Play ethnostate and give them no opportunity to rebel while your rich profit off their tears

If you aren't doing anything that actively makes things worse for them they will leave you alone though.

[Alex]

Originally posted by Bryce325:

Well what to do with these pops mostly depends on where you are.

Play multicultural have everyone happy
Play ethnostate and give them no opportunity to rebel while your rich profit off their tears

If you aren't doing anything that actively makes things worse for them they will leave you alone though.

I wasn't asking how to keep uppity pops in line.

[Madtoast]

https://vic3.paradoxwikis.com/Pops#culture

[Alex]

Originally posted by Madtoast:

https://vic3.paradoxwikis.com/Pops#culture

Yes, thank you very much, but I do possess the ability to read, and I've alreadyy read it.

Anyway, throwing a link doesn't answer my question. Any question, for that matter.

[Madtoast]

I suggest you try reading it again. it answers your question

[Alex]

As I said, I've read it, but there might be some user experience which isn't included in the wiki. Or the wiki might be outdated. That's why I posted a question, and it was certaininly not to get a link thrown at me.

[6ap6apblckaAa]

Yes, assimilation is practicaly useless.
There is one case when culture is accepted but religion is not - you can assimilate such pops, but in real games this almost never happens, because it's quite easy to accept all religions, while accepting all cultures is very difficult until late game.

[Alex]

Originally posted by 6ap6apblckaAa:

Yes, assimilation is practicly useless.

I already guessed as much. The whole assimilation mechanic feels like it is a placeholder. Just as the migration system. Or the MAPI system. Or the... well, you get the pattern.

Originally posted by 6ap6apblckaAa:

There is one case is when culture is accepted but religion is not - you can assimilate such pops, but in real games this almost never happens, because it's quite easy to accept all religions, while accepting all cultures is very difficult until late game.

People can convert to an accepted religion, even if they are discriminated for their old one. But it doesn't work for nationality, this is really an oversight by the devs. Not even a forced nationalization is possible, despite it being pretty common in that timeframe. Oh, well, maybe it'll be included in some future update.

[MegaDeth]

Originally posted by Alex:

I just want to check if I'm understanding this game mechanic correctly. Discriminated pops are bad, because they create additional turmoil and so on. Therefore, assimilating them seems to be the most sensible course of action since multiculturalism is rather difficult to get.

However, pops will only assimilate if they are not discriminated, but if they aren't discriminated, then there's no benefit in assimilating them, right? Or am I missing some hidden bonuses/penalties? Also, is there really no way to override the "homelands" assimilation roadblock?

P.S. Yes, I've read the wiki. What I'm asking is for any additional information, user experience, changes due to updates, basically anything not (yet) included in the wiki.

You aren't missing anything.

Assimilation in this game is the opposite of real life today or real life 200 years ago.

Thus, assimilation has no actual gameplay impact since non-discriminated foreign pops behave the same as locals and the concept can be safely ignored.

[Alex]

Originally posted by MegaDeth:

You aren't missing anything.

Assimilation in this game is the opposite of real life today or real life 200 years ago.

Thus, assimilation has no actual gameplay impact since non-discriminated foreign pops behave the same as locals and the concept can be safely ignored.

Okay, so I understood it correctly, and the only benefit is a tiny increase in processing speed.

Then, why did the devs even included this game rule if it doesn't actually change anything? Maybe they wanted to make more out of it, but there wasn't enough time, so the mechanic was cut short? We can only hope that it'll be finished one day.

[Bryce325]

Originally posted by Alex:

Originally posted by Bryce325:

Well what to do with these pops mostly depends on where you are.

Play multicultural have everyone happy
Play ethnostate and give them no opportunity to rebel while your rich profit off their tears

If you aren't doing anything that actively makes things worse for them they will leave you alone though.

I wasn't asking how to keep uppity pops in line.

"I just want to check if I'm understanding this game mechanic correctly. Discriminated pops are bad, because they create additional turmoil and so on. Therefore, assimilating them seems to be the most sensible course of action since multiculturalism is rather difficult to get."

Weird how the first thing you say is you want to remove them because you want to keep them in line though...

[Alex]

Originally posted by Bryce325:

Weird how the first thing you say is you want to remove them because you want to keep them in line though...

No, I want to remove the need to keep them in line through assimilation

[MegaDeth]

Originally posted by Alex:

Originally posted by Bryce325:

Weird how the first thing you say is you want to remove them because you want to keep them in line though...

No, I want to remove the need to keep them in line through assimilation

Assimilation is the tool with which "discriminated" pops are kept in line in modern, civilised societies.

In this game you bare with it or use illegal mods.

[Alex]

Originally posted by MegaDeth:

Assimilation is the tool with which "discriminated" pops are kept in line in modern, civilised societies.

Nope, forced assimilation was quite widespread during that era. From Canadian or Australian boarding schools, to the Germanization and Russification campaigns in divided Poland, many countries engaged in such practices.

Originally posted by MegaDeth:

In this game you bare

That would be a wholly different kind of game, though...

Originally posted by MegaDeth:

or use illegal mods.

Illegal? Wow, that's really scary.