playing as krakow(trying to form pl)

[vanWeerden-27-]

Hi,

So i have been playing krakow multiple times now trying to for poland.

Im not willing to wait until 1900 to form it and try to form as fast as possible. (i know how to get my sol up and attract loads of people that way but am not willing to keep on waiting unil like 2mil people live in karkow)

So i start with reasearching nationalism to boost polisch aggitation in other countries.
But so far in my playthrougs it hasent worked and the people never rose up.

Does anyone have any tips? do the people rise up in your games? and in which country?

[Jaszczomp]

I tried to do Krakow couple of times and generally, no, but good luck.

But first things first. If you want to raise your SoL then : make sure pops (especially lower class) have most of thier needs covered and try to reach full employment with low taxes (easy as Krakow). Green-Pastures edict combined with liberal imigration policy should be enough to bring you a LOT of imigrants (For some reason i was never able to attract only Poles). Its important to also rush Public-healthcare as well as labor protection laws to give yourself flat-increase of SoL and huge reduction in Mortality.

But as far as actually restoring Poland, obviously, you are into for a treat. I never saw any Polish uprising but maybe i haven't played enough. Agitations don't seem to do anything. Basicly, in top of what i already said, you will need A LOT of luck or some kind of bug/cheese to get Poland back, and i don't think you can do anything about it.

[Alex]

The AI cheats like hell. Their markets may be short on most goods, but they'll rarely get a revolt. Your only option is to wait for a mass emigration event in one of the surrounding countries, and hope that it targets you. Otherwise, it's the usual long and grueling work of increasing SoL and lowering mortality.

[vanWeerden-27-]

Originally posted by Alex:

The AI cheats like hell. Their markets may be short on most goods, but they'll rarely get a revolt. Your only option is to wait for a mass emigration event in one of the surrounding countries, and hope that it targets you. Otherwise, it's the usual long and grueling work of increasing SoL and lowering mortality.

Sure, when im in the 1880's iv got like 1 milion pop and a sol of like 16 which is the best in the world. But playing like that seems kind of cheazy.

I was woundering if it would be hard coaded that, if you click aggitate pops in other countries a certain amount of time it would happen. Like the republic of san marco pops up every game like intended but a polish revolt does not.

[Alex]

Originally posted by vanWeerden-27-:

I was woundering if it would be hard coaded that, if you click aggitate pops in other countries a certain amount of time it would happen. Like the republic of san marco pops up every game like intended but a polish revolt does not.

Well, the game is still half-finished and full of bugs, so I wouldn't rule out a bug here as well. Or you were just unlucky.

You could wait for a huge war to exhaust one of the surrounding Empires to the point where they may collapse, the same as it happened in history. Although, even on medium aggression setting, the AI rarely commits to something like a World War. I guess that Poland simply cannot into space state.

[AN]

Maximizing AI aggression is the most likely thing to throw one of the three empires holding you hostage into enough disarray that an uprising could happen. There's no reasonable way for you to make poland just happen by your own efforts as krakow, it'd be ridiculous if you could, but if there's enough chaos in your part of the world then build up and agitation has a chance to get your first foothold and then choose your own destiny from there.

[Mindmaker]

Not worth it, I think it like my 10th failed attempt right now.

[Swietek]

Tried it, Prussia is cut in half and half of their troops will not be able to assist. You will lose against Austria every single time. In general long fights will get you bankrupt. Building sector is too expensive. You lack options when it comes to building because even if you manage to get someone on your side it won't be Russia with their numbers for sure and when you are cut off their market you are in at least 1-2k deficit (when you are lucky and can get something back using import + decreased production methods). I wasted tens of hours on it and i can definitely say that it's not worth it. Christ of Nations feels like a mosquito and the game is sooo boring. And when it comes to it you can't join Polish Revolutions and you can just watch them die for nothing.

[Ango1eiro]

I've recently completed this achievment about forming and expanding commonwealth with current patch, so here's some tips:
Decision to boost radicals abroad is almost useless, even with 80 turmoil in polish provinces there might be no rebellions, or there might be a rebellion of aristocrats f.e. which will reset all that hard accumulated turmoil.
Restart the game untill austria is beign hated by at least Russia and Prussia. Increase relations with all potential enemies of Austria.
The main goal is to get your first polish provinces asap, so after reaching 50 relations with Austrian neighbours try to declare independence or increase autonomy and see if someone will join you. The only wargoal you should care for is releasing polish states (not conquer). After polish state is released you will get event to annex it almost for free. Main issues are to find a moment to declare that war against Austria and to win this war. And this is pure rng. I've managed to get first states at 1875. I would recommend to restart attempt if you still single province by 1885 cause you just will not have enough time to complete journal entry.

[Joakim]

Hi! I was able to form Poland in the patch 1.4, but I've yet to try in the 1.5 patch. Commonwealth was formed by 1918.

My general strategy was to focus my limited research in military, and wait untill I had a 2 tier technology advantage by 1880 that could somewhat make up for the numbers deficit. I used Mass Conscription to make up numbers, but I'm unsure if this was better than Profssional Army, due to the morale loss penalty.

High emigration and pop growth helps too, but Austrias population will generally grow quicker than Krakows in terms of raw numbers. Time isn't on your side here.

I was never able to split Russia from it's alliance with Austria, and could only ever be helped by Prussia. By taking very small war aims (Indipendence + 1 province) I could figh a mostly defesive war. Holding on to a small bit of the province is all I needed for a ticking war score.

Once Indipendence and West Galicia was gained, it becamed much easier to win the next wars, but still not easy. Needing to almost bankrupt my country in every war.

Definitely the most challenging nation formation that I've tried.

Originally posted by Ango1eiro:

The only wargoal you should care for is releasing polish states (not conquer). After polish state is released you will get event to annex it almost for free.

This would have sped up my run alot! I had no idea about this!

[ad5ian]

Maybe you should start as Austria, or any other country that has Polish territory, and give independence to the Polish lands, then switch to those, rather than torture yourself with Krakow.

[Ango1eiro]

Originally posted by ad5ian:

Maybe you should start as Austria, or any other country that has Polish territory, and give independence to the Polish lands, then switch to those, rather than torture yourself with Krakow.

There is a specific achievement that demands you to start with Krakow, form Commonwealth and complete journal entry. Some people here go for this achievement.

[Zeromentor]

Honestly. you don't. You won't. And practically, unless you are extremely lucky, you can't.

Krakow does not have the ability to fight or win any wars, ever. It is so small that it WILL NEVER be able to win in a solo fight very Austria or Russia. Even with Allies, it is far too likely that the enemy, be it Austria or whomever, will win any fight and instantly take your land. Even if you SOMEHOW win a single battle, the very moment a second front opens up the AI will instantly counter-invade you and take every gain you've made, plus your capitol and win the war.

If, somehow, you are lucky enough to have Austria implode, you'll have to wait until it is through with all its wars, then launch your own, because you won't be able to start a war while they are at war, and rebellions are likely to spring up and take whatever lands you want, or add a border you can't cross so Austria wins by attrition. whatever.

This achievement is practically impossible without cheating, so good luck. Either bash your head against the wall and hope you get super lucky (better than to win the lottery) or wait until they fix the war system again. or add a DLC for Poland, or something...

This game breaks my heart...

[Alex]

Originally posted by Zeromentor:

Honestly. you don't. You won't. And practically, unless you are extremely lucky, you can't.

It would've been easier if the AI was clever enough to release lands with high levels of turmoil through discrimination as puppets. Then, you just had to bide your time until your master was weakened. Basically, just how people playing as Finland go about their independence. With the system as it is now, doing a Krakow run is almost impossible.

AI-controlled Krakow never succeeds, or worse, since it's small, Austria often gives it to Russia in exchange for support. Russia then promply annexes it, and that's it.