Homesteading

[Catashe]

Anyone else like me who likes plenty the smaller non europe countries sick to death of the Homesteading law and its agitators yet.. Its like from almost the start of the game you get spammer with agitators that want it or opposition parties that want it right away.. All the while your most like on Serfdom or if you lucky Tenat Farmers which is nothing but a way for civil war or super high radials..

I mean can we get some Tenat Farmer agitators or political movements for a change.. the -25 from Serfdom to homsteading and the civil way is basically the whole country since your landowners approval probably isn't that high most of the time...

[Alex]

Agitators are mostly people outside the usual power structure, trying to rally the masses in favor of change. So, why should they support something which would solidify the elites's grip on the common people? Homesteading gives the farmers land, while tenat farmers is basically still serfdom, just with wages. Which is more beneficial to whom?

[Catashe]

Originally posted by Alex:

Agitators are mostly people outside the usual power structure, trying to rally the masses in favor of change. So, why should they support something which would solidify the elites's grip on the common people? Homesteading gives the farmers land, while tenat farmers is basically still serfdom, just with wages. Which is more beneficial to whom?

and yet all it does is either lead to civil war you usually can't win cause most counties will rebel or a metric ton of radials

[Alex]

Originally posted by Catashe:

and yet all it does is either lead to civil war you usually can't win cause most counties will rebel or a metric ton of radials

Which is actually historically accurate. In most countries, the transition from serfdom to industrialism was quite difficult, and often, violent.

Although, if you manage to uphold the standard of living, there won't be as many radicals.

[teron]

Sometimes you can get lucky and be able to pass something that makes the landlords IG happy first, then pass homesteading which heavily damages the landlord IG (due to replacing some Aristocrat jobs with farmers in agriculture/subsistence buildings) in addition to the IGs +% modifer.

Classic example one is a jingoist IG landlord owner where going peasant --> professional army or adopting colonization.

[Bapito]

>homesteading movement with high support
>radicalism is low so no revolution starts
>appease the masses by enacting homesteading
>landowners pissed and start a revolution even though they have less people supporting them
>cancels homesteading
>homesteading movement becomes a revolution

thanks paradox

[Catashe]

Originally posted by Bapito:

>homesteading movement with high support
>radicalism is low so no revolution starts
>appease the masses by enacting homesteading
>landowners pissed and start a revolution even though they have less people supporting them
>cancels homesteading
>homesteading movement becomes a revolution

thanks paradox

Exactly this lol

Maybe the whole homesteading wouldn't be so bad if Commercialized Agri wasn't so deep into the tech tree but you basically spend the first half of the game or more with them crying for homesteading non stop =\

[Alex]

Originally posted by Catashe:

Maybe the whole homesteading wouldn't be so bad if Commercialized Agri wasn't so deep into the tech tree but you basically spend the first half of the game or more with them crying for homesteading non stop =\

In a still mostly agrarian society, it makes a huge difference whether you have to work for your lord, can get hired to work for a landlord, or actually have your own plot of land. Most people would love to choose the third option.

And commercialized agriculture wasn't a thing until the nobles went bankrupt and the capitalists could buy out their land.

Also, homesteading is good if you want to break the nobility's dominance. You have to, since they are a major roadblock on the way to industrialization.

[Catashe]

Originally posted by Alex:

Originally posted by Catashe:

Maybe the whole homesteading wouldn't be so bad if Commercialized Agri wasn't so deep into the tech tree but you basically spend the first half of the game or more with them crying for homesteading non stop =\

Also, homesteading is good if you want to break the nobility's dominance. You have to, since they are a major roadblock on the way to industrialization.

Cept going homesteading gives Farmers a lot of power and they are rural folk and they hate industrialization "almost" as much as the landowners

[Alex]

Originally posted by Catashe:

Cept going homesteading gives Farmers a lot of power and they are rural folk and they hate industrialization "almost" as much as the landowners

Almost, but it's still an improvement. The next step would be to build farms, which will reduce their numbers, and then, switch those to commercialized production. You have no other choice but to build big farms and plantations, anyway, since subsistence farms can't receive any upgrades and can't increase SOL past a rather low cap.