SCAM

[Местный орёл]

Super. First they say the investment will be in a free patch (read the roadmap they posted some time ago). Now they are announcing the DLC for MARCH 2024 (more than a year since the release of the game and only the first normal DLC), where there will be investments in other states! Bravo developers, this mechanic was in Victoria2. I won't buy another game from you. Just flush this company and this game down the toilet, thanks for the scam, freaks.

[flieger]

I think paradox fans are part of the problem by demanding and buying dlc for games that are half hearted and unfinished right from the start. Whenever an unpolished paradox game releases people never demand that they fix it for free, they always demand a dlc to purchase. Tbh the next 3 major expansion for this game should all be free

[flieger]

Originally posted by Aluminum Elite Master:

I do get that this DLC is $15 USD and Royal Court was $30... that's a valid point. And right, CK3's first DLC was also something for just a few nations (I think a Viking-themed DLC was the first thing launched).

The difference to me, though, is that CK3 was relatively solid at launch. Not perfect, but pretty good.

Vic 3 needed something larger right away. It did not have a good launch, IMO, and its fundamental reason for being played (its economy) is weaker than Vic 2's in some ways. The war system is not beyond salvaging... but it does need to be salvaged, really. That alone could have been a first DLC/free update.

TL;DR - Vic 3 has some sizable problems with both its war and economics systems, and those are the two main draws to the game. I wasn't expecting a first update or DLC to massively overhaul everything... but I was hoping that whatever it did would be applicable beyond, you know, France.

Don't they want to leave war pretty much as it is according to the roadmap?

[AlienWired]

Originally posted by deezer:

I think paradox fans are part of the problem by demanding and buying dlc for games that are half hearted and unfinished right from the start. Whenever an unpolished paradox game releases people never demand that they fix it for free, they always demand a dlc to purchase. Tbh the next 3 major expansion for this game should all be free

Yeh, that's awesome.... Except... Paradox employees, don't work for you.

They aren't your personal slaves.

[Kipsta]

Man I can't wait to click buildings in my puppets and custom union members next to make that heckin GDP grow. Let's slayyy, girls! Just one more year!

[Mr. Wiggles]

All countries play the same, in my game Mexico is way richer than the USA,all it takes is clicking on buildings. Need research? click on universities. Need wood? click on wood building. Need law? click on law. If that's the case I wonder why the zulu just simply did not build universities irl instead of running around naked.
Meme.

[Mr. Wiggles]

Originally posted by AlienWired:

Originally posted by deezer:

I think paradox fans are part of the problem by demanding and buying dlc for games that are half hearted and unfinished right from the start. Whenever an unpolished paradox game releases people never demand that they fix it for free, they always demand a dlc to purchase. Tbh the next 3 major expansion for this game should all be free

Yeh, that's awesome.... Except... Paradox employees, don't work for you.

They aren't your personal slaves.

Now that's funny, for whom they are working for if not for THEIR customers then? The shareholders alone?

[AlienWired]

Originally posted by Mr. Wiggles:

Originally posted by AlienWired:

Yeh, that's awesome.... Except... Paradox employees, don't work for you.

They aren't your personal slaves.

Now that's funny, for whom they are working for if not for THEIR customers then? The shareholders alone? :mortis:

Keyword... Customers..... That pay money.

Deezer wants the next 3 DLC's "free".....

Again......

Paradox employees aren't your slaves.


Learn what the word CUSTOMERS actually means.

[Solvem Probler]

A SCAM requires a level of competence PDX just doesn't have. It's simply the best they can do now.

[Mr. Wiggles]

Originally posted by AlienWired:

Originally posted by Mr. Wiggles:

Now that's funny, for whom they are working for if not for THEIR customers then? The shareholders alone?

Keyword... Customers..... That pay money.

Deezer wants the next 3 DLC's "free".....

Again......

Paradox employees aren't your slaves.


Learn what the word CUSTOMERS actually means.

Yeah to compensate the terrible releases they put out. Refund rules should be expanded to favor the customer.

[The Silent CivVer]

Originally posted by AlienWired:

Originally posted by Mr. Wiggles:

Now that's funny, for whom they are working for if not for THEIR customers then? The shareholders alone? :mortis:

Keyword... Customers..... That pay money.

Deezer wants the next 3 DLC's "free".....

Again......

Paradox employees aren't your slaves.


Learn what the word CUSTOMERS actually means.

I'd expect development and improvement on mechanics/systems between each iteration of the franchise.

For example, 'with this system/mechanic in Vicky 2, we have improved it in Vicky 3 by doing x, y and z'.

Instead, Paradox pull/strip bare mechanics and systems from previous iterations and then 'develop' these missing/skeletal systems, selling them as 'expansions' or 'DLC'.

We are not told how many expansions or DLC will be released for each iteration too.

Why not be open and honest about the 'roadmap' (quantity of total expansion/DLCs) for each iteration so people can make informed purchasing decisions?

That's why I don't buy Paradox games anymore...

Paradox are motivated by profit (fair enough). So long as people buy their under cooked products (fair - enough, I am not going to tell people what to do with their money), they will continue with the same business model unfortunately.

[Burma Jones]

Originally posted by Le Professor:

Originally posted by Aluminum Elite Master:

Sadly, this.

The core of the game, its economy, is heavily flawed. There's not enough variety in economic interactions... and the game breaks down into a construction spam-fest with a few touches of internal politics along the way.

Agitators at least add slightly more to those internal politics.

But that the rest of the DLC is basically for France... like, just, why? CK 3's Royal Court, which I think is at least alright, at least added a court to ever major nation. Meanwhile, Vic 3's first content DLC is basically an Immersion Pack for France.

Voice of the People is way, way off track for what should have been done... this should have been content that applied to all nations, not agitators + France Immersion.

I've couldn't said it better
Vicky 3 is delivering disappointments on disappointments... The 3 main points of Vicky 3 (diplomacy, economy and politics) are so boringly void... there's no inflation, no currencies, no processing facilities (Iron mines are apparently enough to make iron useful)... No Parliaments, no actual voting process... Such a wested potential

Yeah the game is basically the construction queue and clicking away inconsequential RNG pop-ups while you wait for things to happen on their own.

[FailedNormiee]

Originally posted by The Silent CivVer:

I'd expect development and improvement on mechanics/systems between each iteration of the franchise.

For example, 'with this system/mechanic in Vicky 2, we have improved it in Vicky 3 by doing x, y and z'.

Instead, Paradox pull/strip bare mechanics and systems from previous iterations and then 'develop' these missing/skeletal systems, selling them as 'expansions' or 'DLC'.

Man I want to give you kudos for articulating it like this because this is what I have watched and felt happen over the past 20 years and just gotten increasingly confused about the decision making going on, and the belligerence going to the backlash of folks who have followed pdx for years to watch a regression, not only this one, Creative Assembly as well went this way and while this is their product to what they please calling this game Vicky 3 when it’s nothing like the previous 2 is an obvious misdirection at heart.

I’d give you more points but I’m nearly out having given clown points to whatamidoing and alienwired.

[whatamidoing]

Do you guys just not read the dev diaries, where they go over the mechanics and how they've been changed and improved? I guess that'd explain the take that calling the game Vic3 when it's different from Vic2 is "deceptive."
For example, from this week's dev diary:

Victoria 3's base game already has features to model the Sphere of Influence mechanic from Victoria II: subjects, and customs unions (in fact, it's not uncommon to hear players refer to forcing nations into customs unions or subject relationships as 'sphering'). Members in a customs union share a unified market but have no other diplomatic ties, while subject nations are also forced to participate in their overlord's market but have a number of diplomatic restrictions placed on them as well. The ability to influence, cajole, or dominate other countries to force them into your market / sphere is already something you can do in Victoria 3 using a mix of diplomatic and military tools.

[The Silent CivVer]

Originally posted by whatamidoing:

Do you guys just not read the dev diaries, where they go over the mechanics and how they've been changed and improved? I guess that'd explain the take that calling the game Vic3 when it's different from Vic2 is "deceptive."
For example, from this week's dev diary:

Victoria 3's base game already has features to model the Sphere of Influence mechanic from Victoria II: subjects, and customs unions (in fact, it's not uncommon to hear players refer to forcing nations into customs unions or subject relationships as 'sphering'). Members in a customs union share a unified market but have no other diplomatic ties, while subject nations are also forced to participate in their overlord's market but have a number of diplomatic restrictions placed on them as well. The ability to influence, cajole, or dominate other countries to force them into your market / sphere is already something you can do in Victoria 3 using a mix of diplomatic and military tools.

Did they mention in the dev diaries how they developed the unique experience of playing different countries?

[whatamidoing]

Originally posted by The Silent CivVer:

Originally posted by whatamidoing:

Do you guys just not read the dev diaries, where they go over the mechanics and how they've been changed and improved? I guess that'd explain the take that calling the game Vic3 when it's different from Vic2 is "deceptive."
For example, from this week's dev diary:

Did they mention in the dev diaries how they developed the unique experience of playing different countries?

Compared to Victoria 2 we’ve shifted the focus of scripted content away from random event popups and towards the Journal system. Journal Entries fulfill a variety of narrative and mechanical purposes in Victoria 3 - they can be optional goals the player can pursue, imminent disasters, anchors for ongoing situations, and much more. You can think of the Journal as items on the government’s agenda, situations that you can engage with (or not) to whatever extent best fits your goals and situation.

and so on. Maybe you liked the (quite small- it's weird seeing people pretend like different countries played significantly differently in Vic2, or any other PDX game really- even in games with heavy railroading like HoI4 most of what you do is the same) amount of railroading in Vic2, but this is an improvement, just like how Vic2's event trigger conditions were an improvement over the even-older system of events triggering on static dates with no conditions checked.