I'm sorry, but the game does suck.

[danmak27]

I do not have a lot of hours online, thus the low count of playtime.
I've played offline.

It's a shell of a game that more or less runs by itself no matter what you do.
In other words; it is self-simulating a lot of nothingness around you to make you
believe that you're playing a vibrant game. A simulation within a simulation, so to speak.
I've seen too much self-contradiction in different menus concerning the same issues that
didn't add up.
It does leave the impression and fact that it really doesn't matter what you do.
I've tried building and researching only a couple of things from the get-go.
The only thing I saw after some 30-odd years, was that I was overtaken by one of my
neighbouring countries, which I also was during a game where I did build.
I did not get any warning about my otherwise friendly neighbour wanting to go
to war with me, but out of the blue still did.

And before the "fanboys" start to punk me with;
"Aha, overtaken twice, you just don't know how to play the game," I will say, I did
experimentally play through games without being taken over, but it was just as bland
as any of the other playthroughs.
Everything you do in the game seem as if it doesn't matter at all, except upgrading
the military at some point 30-40 years in the future.
I ended up getting most of the inventions up until said time period anyway.
The only difference was that I didn't upgrade my military and was overtaken
after 30-40 years, building a lot, or only building to a minimal?
Is that all there is to this game?

I agree with others that it is a mobile Clicker game.
My God, all the clicking you'll have to do for absolutely no reason.
It is just keeping you "busy" for the sake of keeping you busy and pretending to
be a game.
If any game ever have given one the impression of wasting one's life, this certainly
takes the first price.
It's like chatting with a bot for hours.
If you really want to believe that it's a human you're talking to, then it is a
human you're talking to, but that "fact" is only materialized in your own mind.
Kind of, hearing voices inside your own head and convincing yourself that some
God is talking to you, no matter the context.

It's a "bot game" that can't even form proper "sentences".
It seems like an experiment in how to cheat the consumers into believing that
they are gaming.
An experiment of how ignorant the consumers are, and what devs can get away with.

!No offence to anybody, just facts, so keep the cancel culture at a minimum, please,
I fell for it myself by buying it, didn't I. I can't talk this talk
without including myself in it, okay! I hope you'll understand that.

Throw some graphics and menus on a screen and see how fascinated they will be.
Minimal programming to tie things together in those different menus, who cares,
it looks okay. Make some popups appear and we're good to go.
The "fine arts" of laziness, cutting corners and pulling people's legs.
Maybe a foretelling of how strategy games will be, or maybe already are.
But of course, if you want to believe that you're actually playing a game
then by all means, keep playing. I'd rather sit here reading and writing.

(Getting ready for all the bashing and semantics..:))

[legionaer20]

I played 200 hours and i am of the same opinion. There are many shallow informations in the game often hidden but you cant do much with it. You basically build buildings, which has many problems by itself, because in a long que you maybe overbuilding stuff because stuff in que is not taken into account when watching production amounts.

The ui is just terrible and unintuitive, huge downstep from vic 2 where you had important information on one fcking screen where here you have to scroll like an idiot. Who thought this is good ui design? Probably no one, because they made it so you can see giant fcking portraits and icons on console.

We dont have any statistics sites, like in eu4 or vic2, i mean is this a joke or what? You need fcking easy obtainable information in this kind of games. But here you can see they want to attract a broader audience, people who just want a cookie clicker with shallow historical flavor and not the people who played and loved vic 2. I am extremely disappointed and will stop supporting paradox, they changed in a bad way, they don't make history grand strategy anymore. Some other company has to step into their footsteps, i have big hopes for grey eminence.

[Roest]

Originally posted by legionaer20:

I played 200 hours....lots of negative stuff

Something is off here, can't really put my finger on it.

[Brahson]

hour 1: hmm this is quite superficial and lacks basic information but maybe it gets better later on
hour 2: ok maybe next hour its gonna get good
hour 3: ok now its gonna get good
hour 4: ok now its gonna get good
hour 5: ok now its gonna get good
...
hour 200: HEY WAIT A MINUTE

[AlienWired]

I find it extremely boring, but, I keep coming back to play the game.

[Inquerion]

Originally posted by Burma Jones:

Sometimes I wonder if there are actual people on Pdx payroll just to stalk negative feedback around here. I find it hard to believe people actually think this game is good. I can't fathom what else entertains them. Could they really be in denial that hard just to avoid owning up to buyer's remorse?

Economic aspect in this game is not bad. Yes, many other systems are mediocre/bad and sone worse than V2, but core gameplay loop (factory micromanagement and growing GDP/SoL) works.

For many people like me (and maybe you) that is not enough and we want more (for example better diplo/warfare, more flavour, decisions etc.), but for some people; for example Factorio/Anno fans; it's the direction that they want Paradox to continue.

I personally know a person who likes V3 and it's warfare system; in fact he would prefer warfare to be entirely removed from the game because it's "distracting me from focusing on growing GDP and SoL".
He doesn't care about flavour/historical accuracy either. He also wants to see similar changes in EU5. He loves Factorio and likes Anno.

People are different and PDX is now aiming at new audience, not old GSG fans.

[Kegbelly]

theres stuff i dont get about playing , i am playing cape colony to try learn the game but everytime i add a construction expansion my economy quicky tanks , surely adding it and allowing the private sector to build should help not destroy the economy lol and another thing using a my convoys to trade seems to do absolutley nothing to my countries wealth i have tried exporting and importing but i see no differance doing either , although in the tool tip before i set it up it says i wlll get positive weekly income ./shrug lol

[Roest]

Originally posted by Montecalm:

Originally posted by Roest:

Not a fanboi. In fact I didn't buy it at release because of the negative reviews. I just picked it up in the spring sale because I like vic2 and was going to buy it eventually. So far I have zero minutes in it.

However if someone describes ANY game as bad, boring, shallow, has an UI that makes it unplayable and whatever else they use to describe such a terribad game but then goes ahead and plays it for 200 hours, it tells more about that person than the game. I wouldn't consider them credible.

And if they didn't play the game long enough, you will find their opinion equally not credible. The truth be told, regardless of how long they play, if you don't like their opinion, you dismiss it. That tells me all I need to know about you.

Hmm let me explain this in simpler words as you seem to be unable to comprehend what I said. Someone who played a game for 10, 20 or 30 hours and then gives it a negative review is most likely credible at least they have an opinion founded on experience. Someone who plays a bad game they dislike for 200 hours is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ moron. I don't give a ♥♥♥♥ what anyone else thinks about a game I like or dislike. If I like a game others dislike I enjoy it anyway and if I dislike a game others like I don't go on a crusade to tell others their opinion is wrong. Again I have no opinion on Vic3 yet as I have zero minutes in the game. Just commenting on general stupidity here.

[kgkong]

Roest has a bit of a point.
If you keep putting time into something you don't enjoy, and it's not your job, why are you still subjecting yourself to it? Why keep getting yourself annoyed, frustrated and so forth from playing something that as some of these complaints have voiced, that is something that is unenjoyable to them?

I understand doing this with a low time played. Maybe there's a learning curve issue where finding the enjoyment is lost more in a confusion of how to learn the game. (Which is a huge issue this game does have. The onboarding and tutorial is literally crap.) Some people however learn faster than others, and it might be 2 or 5 hours of total pissed off lack of enjoyment. Others might take longer, 10, 20, or 30 hours.

But at some point you gotta go "I've devoted XYZ time to this and it's just not enjoyable." Why continue then? Seriously, why? What has been invested by the individual that they cannot walk away from it to find something that does give them joy?

[AlienWired]

Originally posted by danmak27/Athebes1:

No matter your lacking efforts to talk this game up, it is still crap.
I haven't written a bad review yet for this game, but reading these types of
posts inclines me to do it.

This actually speaks volumes about you as a person. You're not writing the review based on the game, you're writing the review based upon other peoples POSITIVE reviews about the game, and that angers you.

Check yourself, opinions vary and yours is an exception, but, in the end, it's still just your opinion, while 1000's if not 10's of 1000's of others have other opinions. (Literally 9000+ people playing the game at this moment and it's pretty much been that way since it was released near 6 months ago.)

Most people who have bought this game, enjoy it and will continue to play it well into the future.

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

Roest has a bit of a point.
If you keep putting time into something you don't enjoy, and it's not your job, why are you still subjecting yourself to it? Why keep getting yourself annoyed, frustrated and so forth from playing something that as some of these complaints have voiced, that is something that is unenjoyable to them?

I understand doing this with a low time played. Maybe there's a learning curve issue where finding the enjoyment is lost more in a confusion of how to learn the game. (Which is a huge issue this game does have. The onboarding and tutorial is literally crap.) Some people however learn faster than others, and it might be 2 or 5 hours of total pissed off lack of enjoyment. Others might take longer, 10, 20, or 30 hours.

But at some point you gotta go "I've devoted XYZ time to this and it's just not enjoyable." Why continue then? Seriously, why? What has been invested by the individual that they cannot walk away from it to find something that does give them joy?

Some games are like that..... Distant World's for example..... I loved the 1st version of the game... The 2nd version came out and I played it a couple times, I don't like it near as well as I like the first one.

But, each time they patch the game, I come back to it to see if it's changed enough for me to want to continue to play it and invest time into it.

Another good example, Battlefield...... I freaking HATE that game... I freaking LOVE that game... I own every version of it, since it first released back in 2002. Over all, I probably have near 3000 hours in total in the entire series.

So much for all that hate... LOL!

[danmak27]

Originally posted by AlienWired:

Originally posted by danmak27/Athebes1:

No matter your lacking efforts to talk this game up, it is still crap.
I haven't written a bad review yet for this game, but reading these types of
posts inclines me to do it.

This actually speaks volumes about you as a person. You're not writing the review based on the game, you're writing the review based upon other peoples POSITIVE reviews about the game, and that angers you.

Check yourself, opinions vary and yours is an exception, but, in the end, it's still just your opinion, while 1000's if not 10's of 1000's of others have other opinions. (Literally 9000+ people playing the game at this moment and it's pretty much been that way since it was released near 6 months ago.)

Most people who have bought this game, enjoy it and will continue to play it well into the future.

Tells you who I am as a person? Wow.
I didn't refer to the people that like the game and have played it. So get your guards down.
As the post mentions quite a few times, it refers to somebody that hasn't played it at all.
I do not mind people enjoying the game, whatsoever, I wonder where you got that idea from. I wanted to enjoy it as well, and I still do want to enjoy it.

I've noticed that you love to use phrases like "speaks volumes as a person."
"Tells a lot about what person you are," etc.
If I were to write a review, I am in my own right to do it. If it should be a bad one,
I am in my right to do that as well regardless of the cause of it.
I do think it's a bad game, so why do you focus only on what single cause I might write it,
when I indeed have several causes to write it.
You choose to focus on that single sentence and claim to have a full picture of my
personality. I'm sorry, but a psychologist you are not, and if you are, daamn.
Taking things out of context is a bad habit these days. Using lame semantics and
nit picking sentences just to drag the attention away from the real problem.
But playing Dr. Phil on Steam takes the first price. Lol.

[AlienWired]

Originally posted by danmak27/Athebes1:

Originally posted by AlienWired:

This actually speaks volumes about you as a person. You're not writing the review based on the game, you're writing the review based upon other peoples POSITIVE reviews about the game, and that angers you.

Check yourself, opinions vary and yours is an exception, but, in the end, it's still just your opinion, while 1000's if not 10's of 1000's of others have other opinions. (Literally 9000+ people playing the game at this moment and it's pretty much been that way since it was released near 6 months ago.)

Most people who have bought this game, enjoy it and will continue to play it well into the future.

Tells you who I am as a person? Wow.
I didn't refer to the people that like the game and have played it.

More of the same and your personal attacks are getting lame.

No one attacked you personally, but, you seemingly took offense at your own display and yes, it speaks volumes as to who you are as a PERSON.

You literally would rather write a negative opinion about the game because people have a positive opinion about it.

"I haven't written a bad review yet for this game, but reading these types of
posts inclines me to do it."

It's not that you would write a review about the game itself based upon legitimate complaints, but, that you would write such, just because others wrote something good about it........

Have a nice day.

[AlienWired]

Originally posted by -=COMMUNIST=-:

Originally posted by Inquerion:

I personally know a person who likes V3 and it's warfare system; in fact he would prefer warfare to be entirely removed from the game because it's "distracting me from focusing on growing GDP and SoL".
He doesn't care about flavour/historical accuracy either. He also wants to see similar changes in EU5. He loves Factorio and likes Anno.

i like vic3 and i like the warfare for not being a massive click orgy. i’m familiar with this type of warfare from realpolitiks and it’s great. i can’t stand the retarded „tactical“ ad-hoc outsmarting of the ai because of otherwise being unable to strategically plan ahead so that when it’s war, the ai can lead your troops to victory without your agency

i also loved vic2, i:r 1/2, and eu3/4, and i still love hoi4, stellaris, ck2/3, and gps4 2219-2022. is that enough credibility or will you find something else to make me appear as a silly idiot not playin‘ da real $h1t?

I always thought that the military system in EU was flakey at best.... I just figured it was just me....

and as for me... I've played Paradox games since.... since.... Wow.. can't believe how long it's been. Since the first EU and CK were offered as a CD "Strategy set" in like 2001-02..

( I think the other game was Populous that came with them, it's only been 20 years. heh)

[Burma Jones]

The projection in here is absurd.

If you're so bothered by other people disliking the game and criticizing it, that is 100% because you know deep down they are right, you feel cognitive dissonance because you want to keep lying to yourself that the game is good and that is at odds with reality, which you cannot ignore.

This causes discomfort. Instead of accepting the fact you bought a terrible game, you choose to make personal attacks on people criticizing the game. You would rather argue and harass people who just want the game to be better, obviously with the motivation of shutting down any negative feedback so you can stay in your insecure bubble pretending it's good.

"If you really though it was bad you wouldn't even bother playing or talking about it"
Oh yeah? If you thought it was so good you wouldn't be playing feedback police and damage control here, you'd just be playing the game.

Seriously, if you truly enjoy the game, good for you. I'm happy for you. But the vast majority of people who bought it do not enjoy it, as shown by reviews, player counts vs sales, feedback across multiple platforms, etc.

People are allowed to say the game is bad. People are allowed to say they aren't buying it because of the feedback they've read. You're allowed to say you like it.

But quit pretending anyone cares that you like the game. Literally nobody is bothered by that. People are saying the game sucks because the game sucks, and they don't want it to suck. Period.

People who keep saying "YEAH BUT I LIKE IT SO WHY ARE YOU EVEN HERE IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT?" are obviously bothered by other people not liking the game.

Quit harassing others. Quit derailing threads. Quit implying the game is great and any dissatisfaction is the customer's fault. Quit trying to shove everyone out of here with nonstop passive aggressive behavior and snide, indirect insults, then turn around and pretend you're merely trying to understand why people are criticizing the game.

The game is awful and everyone knows it. That's why. Get over it. There's a very obvious handful of people who literally provide the exact function of a shill and provocateur then pretend innocence and misunderstanding. I'm sick of this gaslighting and childish, cowardly behavior.

The game is garbage. Pure garbage. It's a low quality mobile game in every way. It's an absolute joke and doesn't even do a good job of providing a mere veneer of a strategy game.

Does that hurt your feelings? Maybe you should stop playing it and insist the developers give you your money's worth instead of trying to harass people in the most spineless way possible for not joining in the delusion of Victoria 3 being good.

Either way you're out the money. Lapping up slop and calling it gourmet isn't going to make your food any tastier. You might as well give your own criticisms of the game instead of picking fights and pretending it's the other people who are behaving strangely.

Can people go back to actually talking about the game? Do I need to say more? Has it sunk in yet? *taps microphone* Is this thing on?

[danmak27]

I guess I was right

[danmak27]

Originally posted by danmak27/Athebes1:

I guess I was right

A 90s hit