Vic 3 is alot better then most paradox games (underrated opinion)

[[BRE] Stephen]

The main reason people dont like it, is because it takes 10x longer to learn as it is a very complicated game, however i have spent around 50 hours to learn the whole game and it is one of if not the most fun pdx game i have ever played.

[daemonworks]

The game has a fair bit of complexity in it's systems, but you basically have to just ignore the majority of the countries that folks would expect to be playing.

Play nearly any of the major or more significant secondary powers, and you only need a very basic idea of how things work to do quite well. Playing the nations where getting anything done is like pulling teeth is a bit more interesting. Dealing with the chinese rebellion was somewhat fun, at least once or twice.

And I just do what I do in stellaris and eu4: stop when I'm done, rather than keep going to the official end-date.

[DinoMight]

Publicado originalmente por Masato:

Agreed. People just don't know how to have fun. People usually don't have the political or economic knowledge to know what their goal should be.

I always see people going full capitalist/intelligentsia and then wondering why a country like that has great economy while it actually disgust me to make a country like that

any political/economic build can have great economy, more often than not, communism brings me the highest gains and highest SoL, capitalist/intelligentsia is newbie beginners strat, even fascism/absolute monarchy can be stronger (you have to learn how to use authority wisely)

those graduated taxes are broken i swear

[Bibliophylax]

Publicado originalmente por DinoMight:

[any political/economic build can have great economy, more often than not, communism brings me the highest gains and highest SoL, capitalist/intelligentsia is newbie beginners strat, even fascism/absolute monarchy can be stronger (you have to learn how to use authority wisely)

those graduated taxes are broken i swear

They are !
The mines at high level with condensating pump/dynamite have a weekly profit of 69k sometimes. And guess what most of it are dividends lol you can take 40% from thoses 70k if I remind me correctly
Be britain with so manys high level coal mines and it's broken indeed.

Edit: the industrialist/intelligentsia duo is only better in tech research speed.

[Wright1331]

Publicado originalmente por steve:

The main reason people dont like it, is because it takes 10x longer to learn as it is a very complicated game, however i have spent around 50 hours to learn the whole game and it is one of if not the most fun pdx game i have ever played.

Vicky is easy mode for a Paradox game. If most people who dont like the game are like me, they dont like it cause so many of the "features" just dont work or are half assed and implemented anyway because of lack of options.

Now I hope in about 2 years, a Paradox theme, the game will get better and be enjoyable to play and have a lot of replayability. As it stands now, the only reason I play is cause one guy in our group likes it and hey we gotta rotate who picks games (screw you Matt!).

[Oaks]

The challenge Paradox faces with their contemporary games is that people enjoy them for vastly different reasons.

Some folks are map painters, other min-maxers, roleplayers, achievement hunters, casual players, "what if" history fans... The list goes on and on.

It's nigh impossible to satisfy all of these folks. Fans of the military aspect of paradox games, for example, are going feel left out in the rain.

I generally fall into the "casual" Paradox game player category. I've got hundreds of hours in Eu4, CK2, Hoi4, but I'm by no means good at any of them. It's just fun for me to jump in a play around. I'm less concerned about winning and more interested in just watching the world I'm a part of change.

That said, I always enjoy my play sessions with Victoria 3. I'm sure the more skilled Paradox players find the game easy compared to the other titles. I don't find the rules particularly difficult, balancing the country for me is the challenge. Started up as Chile last night and already it feels completely different from Sweden, my previous game.

[lefty1117]

Stellaris 2 would be nice

[DinoMight]

Publicado originalmente por Oaks:

The challenge Paradox faces with their contemporary games is that people enjoy them for vastly different reasons.

Some folks are map painters, other min-maxers, roleplayers, achievement hunters, casual players, "what if" history fans... The list goes on and on.

It's nigh impossible to satisfy all of these folks. Fans of the military aspect of paradox games, for example, are going feel left out in the rain.

I generally fall into the "casual" Paradox game player category. I've got hundreds of hours in Eu4, CK2, Hoi4, but I'm by no means good at any of them. It's just fun for me to jump in a play around. I'm less concerned about winning and more interested in just watching the world I'm a part of change.

That said, I always enjoy my play sessions with Victoria 3. I'm sure the more skilled Paradox players find the game easy compared to the other titles. I don't find the rules particularly difficult, balancing the country for me is the challenge. Started up as Chile last night and already it feels completely different from Sweden, my previous game.

this is so much lotta BS "Some folks are map painters, other min-maxers, roleplayers, achievement hunters, casual players, "what if" history fans... The list goes on and on."

those are all characteristics of a single person, if you are not all of that, than why do you play these games at all rofl

nah nah

there is only 1 and main reason why people play paradox games and why we stared following them back in the early 2000s (for me it was eu2)

its history

and games after hoi4 have no history, they are sims and stellaris clones
and thats why people dont like them anymore

[Tyogenes]

Publicado originalmente por DinoMight:

Publicado originalmente por Oaks:

The challenge Paradox faces with their contemporary games is that people enjoy them for vastly different reasons.

Some folks are map painters, other min-maxers, roleplayers, achievement hunters, casual players, "what if" history fans... The list goes on and on.

It's nigh impossible to satisfy all of these folks. Fans of the military aspect of paradox games, for example, are going feel left out in the rain.

I generally fall into the "casual" Paradox game player category. I've got hundreds of hours in Eu4, CK2, Hoi4, but I'm by no means good at any of them. It's just fun for me to jump in a play around. I'm less concerned about winning and more interested in just watching the world I'm a part of change.

That said, I always enjoy my play sessions with Victoria 3. I'm sure the more skilled Paradox players find the game easy compared to the other titles. I don't find the rules particularly difficult, balancing the country for me is the challenge. Started up as Chile last night and already it feels completely different from Sweden, my previous game.

this is so much lotta BS "Some folks are map painters, other min-maxers, roleplayers, achievement hunters, casual players, "what if" history fans... The list goes on and on."

those are all characteristics of a single person, if you are not all of that, than why do you play these games at all rofl

nah nah

there is only 1 and main reason why people play paradox games and why we stared following them back in the early 2000s (for me it was eu2)

its history

and games after hoi4 have no history, they are sims and stellaris clones
and thats why people dont like them anymore

100%

[Owl85]

Publicado originalmente por DinoMight:

as someone who mostly mastered this game, i disagree

main enemy in this game arnt AI, or mechanics or random negative events or troublesome IGs

its actually boredom, and thats what you will fight against after 30-40 years of ingame when you become the number 1 power in the world

Agreed.. Such a missed oportunity, so much great content could easily have been added.. The map is beautiful though, is proberly my most positive thing to say about the game.

[Owl85]

Publicado originalmente por DinoMight:

Publicado originalmente por Oaks:

The challenge Paradox faces with their contemporary games is that people enjoy them for vastly different reasons.

Some folks are map painters, other min-maxers, roleplayers, achievement hunters, casual players, "what if" history fans... The list goes on and on.

It's nigh impossible to satisfy all of these folks. Fans of the military aspect of paradox games, for example, are going feel left out in the rain.

I generally fall into the "casual" Paradox game player category. I've got hundreds of hours in Eu4, CK2, Hoi4, but I'm by no means good at any of them. It's just fun for me to jump in a play around. I'm less concerned about winning and more interested in just watching the world I'm a part of change.

That said, I always enjoy my play sessions with Victoria 3. I'm sure the more skilled Paradox players find the game easy compared to the other titles. I don't find the rules particularly difficult, balancing the country for me is the challenge. Started up as Chile last night and already it feels completely different from Sweden, my previous game.

this is so much lotta BS "Some folks are map painters, other min-maxers, roleplayers, achievement hunters, casual players, "what if" history fans... The list goes on and on."

those are all characteristics of a single person, if you are not all of that, than why do you play these games at all rofl

nah nah

there is only 1 and main reason why people play paradox games and why we stared following them back in the early 2000s (for me it was eu2)

its history

and games after hoi4 have no history, they are sims and stellaris clones
and thats why people dont like them anymore

Agreed

[Burma Jones]

The only things you need to do regularly are change production methods, open/close trade routes and manage the construction queue somewhat. Most of the actual gameplay loop is closing useless notifications and waiting.

Laws, internal politics, warfare, diplomacy, pops, colonizing, expeditions, etc., are all extremely simple and hollow systems and even nearly a year after release there's no national or regional flavor and every country plays the same. The UI is still trash. Performance sucks so you have to sit there for longer doing nothing. The game is an abject failure in every way. These random praising threads have to be devs or something. "Wow guys this game is so good I felt compelled to NOT play it and just post on feedback forums about how good the devs are wow guys please buy another copy of this game you guys"

[Belphegor]

If you think Vic 3 is complicated, you clearly haven't played other grand strategy games. Or other actually complex games for that matter.

[Fatbill]

The AI in Vic 3 is pitiful, the diplomacy system doesn't work worth crap, you can't make historical events "happen" even when trying to do so, the war system is an utter failure, and the optimization is STILL really bad.

Vic 3 is better than what, exactly?

[A1ni💪!]

the game is not in a state of min-max. It's a game about exploration, roleplay and trying out different sub-optimal things. I think that's what sets it out apart from many other games and makes it FUN!

[Menkerot]

I wouldn't say it's better than other paradox games since they are all different. But it's fun in its own way and that's all that matters.