whats the best paradox game for a new player?

[BooQueefius]

asking on here since its their newest game i want to get into the games but they seem hard to learn what one would you reccomend to a new player to the developer and franchise?

[Don Vincenzoo 57]

CK3 is really good and fun
stellaris
city skyline .

[Ravon[17]]

In terms of ease of play. I'd go with Stellaris. Its a grander 4X game, but not as complicated as some of the other grand strategy games Paradox makes.

HOI4 is easy enough to start, harder to master.

In terms of fun EU4, however it pretty much has the steepest learning curve.

I've taught people these games in the past, so if you ever need a guide send me a message.

[Oubley]

Crusader kings III maybe hearts of iron IV.
I think Crusader kings III offers the best just play/doesn't matter if you win or lose.

Hearts of iron IV comes close. Crusader kings II is free to play, but there are some quirks that might be hard for a newbie. Same with the hearts of Iron games.

Hearts of Iron II, Hearts of Iron III, and EU III while good, can be kind of dated.

Stellaris while not complicated, and probably has the best first quarter out of their games to play, it's sort of bipolar and quickly turns into a different game after the initial "chapter"/phase. It's probably also had the biggest differences from its inception to its recent version.

The only thing I don't like about the hearts of Iron games, and hesitant to recommand to someone new, is you'll be rolling for 9/10 of your play through then probably hit a wall over some obscure game mechanic that wasn't relevant until that second. And if you manage to figure the wall out, and start steam rolling again, the next wall will be do you keep playing, cause once things snowball, they snowball pretty quickly in that.

[The Gray Fox]

CK3

I think it'd Paradox's easiest game. Decent tutorial, great tooltips. Rather easy to learn shallowly and not too challenging to master.

Originally posted by Oubley:

The only thing I don't like about the hearts of Iron games, and hesitant to recommand to someone new, is you'll be rolling for 9/10 of your play through then probably hit a wall over some obscure game mechanic that wasn't relevant until that second. And if you manage to figure the wall out, and start steam rolling again, the next wall will be do you keep playing, cause once things snowball, they snowball pretty quickly in that.

solution to this is to savescum and keep multiple saves going during your campaign that way you can choose to go back and redo/test things out. It really helps when you're beginning with paradox games and figuring things out

[Lost Latios]

CK3. Victoria 3 has tool tips...but they feel much less useful then CK3s. CK3 also has a good tutorial to get you going.

Stellaris is it's own type of game honestly. At this rate I wouldn't bundle it with their other psudo-history map games.

[VoiD]

CK3 is the easiest one they have ever made, and it doesn't have much content (so, less to learn) so I guess it would be good for a new player, veterans who know how things work get bored of it very quickly tho and often prefer CK2, or anything else really.

[jfoytek]

Originally posted by BooQueefius:

asking on here since its their newest game i want to get into the games but they seem hard to learn what one would you reccomend to a new player to the developer and franchise?

So I am not sure what to tell you here....

Their is a problem with saying CK3 or Vic3 in that both of these games have taken a far enough step away from the normal UI systems that paradox employed they are almost well different games entirely....

And while they are dumbed down and stream lined and easier I don't think playing them is going to make it easier for you to learn the rest of the Paradox games...
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So my answer is going to be go right after the game that is most interesting to you and learn the UI and game the hard way
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So are you game for a long Marathon single player game that might take Months to finish and has amazing RPG potential but is a very slow burner with events happening in the beginning very rarely. Then CK2 is the way to go.... in my opinion this is the greatest game that was ever made...

Do you want a Marathon Game that will take Weeks to finish and will have a largest focus on conquest and war and less RPG then go with EU4 a very solid and fun game.

Do you want a Marathon Game that will take a few days to finish and will have a sci-fy 4x feel that gives you a nice mix of RPG, Diplomacy and conquest. Go with Stellaris

Do you want a game that you can finish is a day or two is pretty much exclusively focused on war and conquest. Then you want HoI4

If you want the most complex and hard to learn economic simulator ever created that could take you a year to finish and you may never actually come to gripes with its complexity's then Victoria 2
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Then their is the dumbed down casual version of EU4 that is well certainly easier and less interesting Imperator Rome

CK3 obviously is the simplified and streamlined version of CK2

and Victoria 3 isn't even remotely close to feeling similiar to Vic2. The most similiar thing is the name that implies they are suppose to be....

[Rialm]

CK3, the UI is clean
Stellaris, it's just building some buildings, really straight forward.
Imperator, a bit more complex but you understand the culture system and then it's always the same.
HOI4 techincally it can be easy to learn, the problem is to master, also the most played game.
EU it seems complex but you can get it after some time.
V3 is not difficult, the UI makes it seems complex.

[Ashling]

Whichever era you want to play in, really.

CK3 isn't as newcomer friendly as everyone's making it out to be. If you want a good UI and tutorial, then yes, but it still has some stumbling blocks that I see new players trip over (not to mention its warfare system is just weird compared to their other games but you can usually ignore it if you snowball).
But, more importantly, if you don't like the medieval era then you're probably not going to like CK3. So choose based off of your interests as being interested in the game will encourage you the learn even the stupid and hard to understand bits of it.

[Many-Named]

ck3 if you're into roleplay and drama, otherwise EU4 is the go to imo

[Heraclius Caesar]

CK3 is by far the easiest Paradox title out there.

[Steven]

Originally posted by BooQueefius:

asking on here since its their newest game i want to get into the games but they seem hard to learn what one would you reccomend to a new player to the developer and franchise?

my favs where hearts of iron 2, crusader kings 2 and three, I never was able to get into victory series i got victory 2 but ehh and I got most time into stellairs over close to 2k hours into that game EU 1 I played and EU 3 and I got EU4 but I cant get into it honestly.

I like Stellairs most because it is less historical and more random generated game field.

I wish paradox would make a game like Crusader kings mixed with Victory with a fantasy feeling on a randomly generated world map.

I would also love to see paradox make a grand Strategy Battletech Game that played some what like Stellairs and with unit creation and technology progression of the new hearts of iron game.

[Freyr_O]

Wait for EU 5.

[Caleb000]

I started with HOI4 and with all the mods and tutorials I think its a pretty good starter especially since its the least confusing since there is not as much diplomacy or politics

[Chocolayte]

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